Rahlfs versus Swete versus Gottingen: List of Differences

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2013 7:05 AM

Denise:

The text comparison tool would be an excellent area to expand sophistication, especially with Noet. The present tool primarily looks at final text but ignores the tremendous sophistication in the Logos datasets. Luckily George is still having his breakfast, but textual comparison of morph lines (interlinear ... shhhh) is considerably more useful.

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Rick Brannan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2013 7:24 AM

tfjern:

I'm sure Logos has a file displaying the verse differences between the Rahlfs LXX and the Swete LXX (and perhaps this is asking too much, the Gottingen LXX), since, for one thing, Logos has worked extensively with them (I have purchased most of Logos products related to these resources).

Is there any chance Logos could share this file? I believe Rick Bannan, who has done a lot of fine work on these resources, occasionally visits this forum. An email to him might get a response, but if it doesn't, maybe there is someone else on this forum who has or knows of such a file, and would be willing to share it with us. It's worth a shot.

Actually, we do not have a file of these differences just sitting around. However, if you have both Swete and Göttingen (which you imply) then both of those texts have apparatuses, and the primary differences can be had in these apparatuses. Swete's apparatus is primarily uncial material listing major variants (though he does at times refer to the Holmes/Parsons LXX); Göttingen of course gets into more minutiae in its apparatus.

Many of the responses to this thread are correct, the best place to look for such data is the use of Text Comparison on a particular passage. I only know the data and cannot speak to which packages the Text Comparison functionality is included (or not included).

I do not know of a version collation in print or elsewhere, but that's not to say it doesn't exist. As an analogue, the NA27 print has an apparatus of edition differences in the back (please don't ask for this electronically, we've already requested the data but do not know if it will ever be available). I am unsure if Rahlf's LXX print has similar material, or if the Rahlfs LXX apparatus (or Göttingen, for that matter) refer to Swete as an entity within the apparatus. The modern trend is to cite manuscripts instead of editions; older editions (particularly NT stuff; see Tischendorf and early Nestle editions) tended to cite editions along with other textual witnesses.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2013 10:58 AM

Rick Brannan:

As an analogue, the NA27 print has an apparatus of edition differences in the back (please don't ask for this electronically, we've already requested the data but do not know if it will ever be available).

This is really weird logic on the part of certain publishers. Really disappointing!

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2013 2:44 PM

Lee:

Rick Brannan:

As an analogue, the NA27 print has an apparatus of edition differences in the back (please don't ask for this electronically, we've already requested the data but do not know if it will ever be available).

This is really weird logic on the part of certain publishers. Really disappointing!

This apparatus (Editionum Differentiae, I think it is called, but I'm going on memory and my Latin is horrible) is in NA27 but is not in NA28 — which is why I'm guessing is unavailable at present. I didn't mean to imply that it would never happen; I only meant to communicate that we know about it and have requested it, but have not received any representative data for this material. Also, it is not comprehensive, only supplemental.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2013 3:49 PM

Denise:
textual comparison of morph lines (interlinear ... shhhh) is considerably more useful.

I'd agree if Logos showed alternatives rather than a single value without explanation when debatable.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2013 3:57 PM

Denise:
(interlinear ... shhhh

I heard that.  Stick out tongue

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