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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 11:30 AM

David Medina:
I swore myself I would not get into any "this vs that" discussions, but I felt useful to share my experience choosing among apps and my reasons. 

Thank you, David, for that extensive analysis. You expressed my feelings about Logos vs Accordance very well.

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Drew Hannay | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2014 9:32 AM

alabama24:

Why not "one finger"? Simple. There are too many features to work out. A single swipe up brings up the contextual menu. I guess they could switch and use the "two finger swipe," but that would not be best for the majority of users. 

I know this is the reason given by us in the past for not supporting single-finger scrolling, but I also realize it sounds like a pretty lame excuse. Smile It's not even a valid excuse in the Android app anymore, since we don't bring up a context menu when you do a single swipe up.

The real reason why we have two-finger scrolling and not one-finger is because (like others have mentioned) two-finger scrolling is more of a "nudge" and less of a "scroll", meant to assist with highlighting. Real one-finger scrolling needs to be smooth and support things like "flinging" the text, having it slow down gradually, etc (just like any other scrolling experience on your iOS/Android device). We don't think the current two-finger scrolling experience lives up to our expectations for one-finger scrolling (and, in fact, it shouldn't, because it serves a different purpose) so we don't want to advertise it falsely.

All that being said, smooth vertical scrolling IS something we plan on adding to the mobile apps eventually, but it's not number one on the priority list right now.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2014 10:01 AM

Thanks for clarifying Drew. Smile

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2014 1:41 PM

I blame it all on the Kindle. For years those of us who adopted ebooks on Palm PDA's had scrolling (most software had smooth adjustable automatic scrolling too), but then Amazon did their big "Turn pages just like a book!" campaign, and the world jumped on the Kindle, not knowing that there was a better way to e-read. And, of course, when Apple "innovated" by directly copying Amazon, the app lemmings lined up at the cliff.

So here we are, having to suffer through the wait while the app world realizes that it was done better over 15 years ago...

"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2014 2:11 PM

The Kindle example is a bit slippery.  They made the iOS version (haven't tried the others) so a vertical swipe also works.  But only moving forward. You have to trick it, going backward.  But yes, those 'pages'.  Too often I try to turn the corner down and bend my iPod.


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Patrick Tye | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2014 2:46 PM

have you tried preaching from notes in split screen?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2014 3:11 PM

Patrick:

have you tried preaching from notes in split screen?

It might help if you clarify... for example: Who are you talking to? Stick out tongue

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Martin Folley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2014 11:27 PM

Re 2 finger navigation ...

As I read through this on my MacBook, I find that I am naturally scrolling up and down using two fingers. One finger moves the mouse, two fingers move the page up and down. Since iOS is an apple system, it seems sensible that there should be compatibility/transparency between the two. I find that I do not even think about scrolling when I switch devices. Mac Laptop have had touch gesture touch pads for years.

I am not sure if this is true in the world of Windows. The last PC laptop that I used involved moving mouse pointers to scroll bars and clicking on little arrows or dragging scroll bars.

My point is not an 'Apple is best' issue (it is Stick out tongue ) it is more that as well as the general paradigm that Drew highlighted, for iOS and OS X, there is a ergonomic compatibility that should be maintained. Personally, I read so much electronically that scrolling is natural. The idea of turning a page at a time seems tied to the medium and tradition but not necessarily the best way of going about things. I set my pdf readers to continuous, I do not use columns in  the Logos desktop app, and of course there is web browsing etc. As an example, the ease of scrolling through different open resource panels on a mac is wonderful and natural ... I cannot remember what our PC brethren experience ... but I move the mouse and use two fingers ... no clicking etc.

2010 17" MBP with High Sierra, iPad4 with iOS10.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 9 2014 5:01 AM

Martin Folley:

Personally, I read so much electronically that scrolling is natural. The idea of turning a page at a time seems tied to the medium and tradition but not necessarily the best way of going about things.

I question whether scrolling is "best," but easily conceded that user preference is largely at play. Turning a page seems much more efficient, and easier for the eyes. 

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Paul Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 10 2014 4:38 PM

alabama24:
I question whether scrolling is "best," but easily conceded that user preference is largely at play. Turning a page seems much more efficient, and easier for the eyes. 

Not to mention that some people actually prefer the turning of the page rather than scrolling!

Hopefully, when Logos gives you scrolling folks your scrolling they don't take away the ability to turn the page (for us page-turning folks)!

Regards,

Paul

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Richard Mast | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 6 2014 3:00 PM

This two-finger scroll is very cumbersome and jerky in Logos.  The Olive Tree scroll is smooth and quick.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 6 2014 3:32 PM

Richard Mast:

This two-finger scroll is very cumbersome and jerky in Logos.  The Olive Tree scroll is smooth and quick.

That's because OliveTree doesn't support footnotes. Logos does, and it means the text scrolls line by line, rather than pixel by pixel.

Smooth scrolling (without footnotes) is very likely coming soon to the Logos app.

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