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Michael Brower | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2013 2:50 PM

Is there an install available to run Proclaim from a Chromebook?

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 3 2013 8:56 PM

Not likely since a Chromebook requires all apps to run in Chrome browser and Proclaim doesn't.

I'd like it if they'd offer a fully cloud option that would run on iPad, Chromebook, Android. But not likely since its too complicated an app. Before the do this they need to get it fully functional with all the features that most major presenation apps offer like DVD playing, youtube playing and better templates for bibles, lyrics etc.

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Scott Alexander | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 4 2013 10:20 PM

Kevin is correct, Proclaim is not supported on the Chromebook.

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Randy Allen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 10 2013 2:15 PM

Boy, I would love to see Proclaim supported on a Chromebook.  

Dealing with Windows updates on a computer that crashed today, and Chromebook is looking more and more promising to me!  I probably wouldn't use it in the church sound booth, but for when I do camp presentations and stuff, it would be great!

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I was exploring the Chromebook/Proclaim option just today.  I am a pastor who uses Proclaim and I'm a Logos Portfolio customer.  With so much invested, I'd like to think the company would come up to speed with emerging technology and OS.  If not, someone else will.  

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Jared Schwyhart | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 24 2014 10:56 AM

Found this link that goes over how many use each OS (Windows, OSX, Chromebook). Keep in mind, this is only laptops and tablets. I just wouldn't think it'd be in the best interest of Logos to spend the resources for Chromebook...yet. One of the comments on this article even suggested that Chromebooks are a fad. Not really something you'd want to spend 200k or more just to see it disappear. Plus, that's the entire market. How much of that market has Proclaim? I doubt even 1% because 1% in this is probably equal to 1 million users.

Just my observation.

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Nate Cress | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 5 2018 7:24 AM

It's been nearly 4 years since the previous post. ChromeOS has grown leaps and bounds, and now supports Android apps. Chromebooks outsell Macs and are used by the same students that probably help many churches with their weekly presentations. The devices themselves are more capable than ever. It looks like the hardware is only going to get more powerful. These devices can do a ton of things. I have several in my home. The only time I use my desktop Windows machine anymore is to edit something in Photoshop or to edit a Proclaim presentation. I can't tell you how many times I could have used Proclaim on a Chromebook. This certainly could be doable if not inevitable as the next major development of Proclaim.

Personally, I think Proclaim should make their "remote" apps for iOS and Android more capable. It wouldn't be that far fetched to enable editing the text on slides or even adding a new Bible slide or song from a mobile app. The more complicated step beyond that would be presenting from a mobile device. It would be doable with iOS because AirPlay works pretty well. Chromecast for Android could also work, but it would be more beta status with a few draw backs like not supporting motion backgrounds. However, this is the future, and it is where the technology should be headed.

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Bob Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 9 2018 9:09 PM

I agree!  I recently got a Chromebook, and I was pleasantly surprised at how much I could do on it.  The fact that it updates in a couple minutes, is instant on and instant off, and doesn't require anti-virus software, is enough to make me want to do more and more on it.  It's fast, well built, has a great screen, and with the Logos web app getting more and more capable, I can see me shifting my usage to the Chromebook. Of course, when I want to do "serious" study, I still go back to my Windows machine and fire up Logos 7.  That's the main reason I still need Windows.

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Nate Cress | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 10 2018 6:39 AM

Thanks, Bob!

I really see Chromebooks taking off from here. Whether the development team behind Proclaim decides to build a web app or a native Android app optimized for ChromeOS, I'd love to be able to access and edit Proclaim on my Chromebooks. There are a ton of general use presentation apps online that are great, so it's not like developing a web app is that far fetched of an idea. Taking advantage of device hardware and speed with a native Android app could also be a good idea for an app like this.

As far as using Windows to fire up Logos 7 for "serious" study, I don't see why Logos couldn't also build their Logos Cloud app out with all the same features as the Windows app. The web is more powerful than ever before.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 12 2018 6:20 AM

I don't think that a webapp could handle all the Proclaim does. BTW Logos Web App for their Bible study pales in comparison to the desktop app too. Their sturggling to get syncing notes done. If you really want presentation software for your Chromebook with Android apps check out LyricsPro. They are promising a webapp sometime this year. Not affiliated with them and don't use it since we have a Windows PC in our sanctuary, but I'd really like to see this go. The updated Chromebox from Asus would make this an interesting option for small churches if it works well as a webapp.

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Nate Cress | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 12 2018 6:53 AM

Thanks for the suggestion of LyricsPro. I'll have to look into that.

Regarding webapps:

I'm sorry to have to disagree, but this argument that web apps can't handle all that Proclaim or Logos does isn't much of an argument. If we're talking about Proclaim's advanced features for live video and moving backgrounds, then you may have a point. If we are talking about raw power in accessing and displaying information, the argument is that a web server or data center is somehow less powerful than my local Windows machine. The web is infinitely more powerful than any single local machine. However, making this a reality means Faithlife investing in powerful servers or cloud hosting platforms in addition to the development time for each app. They have already begun the work on their Logos web app, but they have really only just begun. That isn't because a web app can't be powerful.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 12 2018 7:10 AM

Hi

Nate Cress:
I'm sorry to have to disagree, but this argument that web apps can't handle all that Proclaim or Logos does isn't much of an argument. If we're talking about Proclaim's advanced features for live video and moving backgrounds, then you may have a point.

That's exactly what I meant.

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Mike Measley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 24 2018 9:39 AM

I use Chrome Remote desktop to use full logos capabilities, and full proclaim capabilities on my chromebook.

Mike Measley

Using Logos Desktop Software, Proclaim, Faithlife Groups, Faithlife Apps (Android), app.logos.com

Windows 10, Android  7, Chromebook (app.logos.com/Chrome Desktop Remote)

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Nate Cress | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 24 2018 10:07 AM

I've used Team Viewer to remotely access another computer running Proclaim. Team Viewer has a Chrome App you have to install on the Chromebook to get things working. It is a bit slow and clunky, but it works. The problem is that your other machine has to be turned on and connected to the internet. I've even edited Photoshop files this way. However, a native experience for Proclaim on the Chromebook would be better.

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Mike Measley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 25 2018 10:04 AM

Nate Cress:
The problem is that your other machine has to be turned on and connected to the internet. I've even edited Photoshop files this way. However, a native experience for Proclaim on the Chromebook would be better.

Absolutely!!  Just sharing how I am working around the lack of the native solution for now. Smile

Mike Measley

Using Logos Desktop Software, Proclaim, Faithlife Groups, Faithlife Apps (Android), app.logos.com

Windows 10, Android  7, Chromebook (app.logos.com/Chrome Desktop Remote)

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Nate Cress | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 26 2018 9:37 AM

I just thought I'd bring this discussion back up again. Now with Chromebooks like the Pixelbook and other powerful machines that can run Android app as well as the potential for running Linux apps in addition to web apps, the argument that Chromebooks aren't powerful or capable enough no longer holds water.

My suggestion that would work well for Chromebooks and support a majority of potential users is to focus on the Android app. There is absolutely no reason why the Android app which currently can be used to follow or control the presentation couldn't also edit slides in the presentation. Editing the words on a slide should be easy to do from the Android app. Also creating a new slide shouldn't be unthinkable. To top that off, the Android app should also be able to launch a presentation on air via Chromecast at least as a beta. The functionality to do so is already there with the sign feed feature which can show the on-air presentation slide. Videos don't work on the sign feed yet, but the point is that it is possible to present the presentation as a web feed. We aren't asking for something that is technologically impossible. The request is that Faithful supports a new platform for Proclaim by investing where people are. Building out Proclaim on Windows and Mac first was important for Proclaim, but as an application that is built on the benefits of collaboration and the cloud, Proclaim should put more effort into making it's mobile apps more powerful both for iOS and Android (and ChromeOS as an Android system).

A previous discussion was made about a Linux version of Proclaim which was said to be unlikely because of market share and that a web app (ie Chrome!!!) was more likely. Linux is potentially another option depending on how well Linux apps work on ChromeOS and how well ChromeOS takes off now that the platform is becoming more powerful. However, I really think Faithlife would benefit most by investing in the existing mobile apps.

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Matt Mattox (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 26 2018 10:28 AM

Hey Nate,

Nate Cress:
There is absolutely no reason why the Android app which currently can be used to follow or control the presentation couldn't also edit slides in the presentation. Editing the words on a slide should be easy to do from the Android app.

We have similar plans to allow mobile devices to do this. We are working on giving the ability to use the web to apply and make quick changes. A good example would be the web version of Logos, but in this case it would be for Proclaim.

Not sure if it is going to give the ability to go on air, but basic edits are on the road map via the web.

Nate Cress:
The functionality to do so is already there with the sign feed feature which can show the on-air presentation slide. Videos don't work on the sign feed yet

Videos do work on the sign feed, but the support is sub par. You can refresh your page once you make a change to your feed. A change could be as simple as checking and unchecking the "Show some Bible Art"

We don't have any plans to support Linux at the moment, but we do plan on giving the ability to view Proclaim/edit via the web to allow members in the church to make a quick edit.  I can double check with Jordan what the plan is for chrome books though. 

I brought this up to Jordan S one of our top developers here at Faithlife. I'm sure he will add his feedback as well as he has more insights on what is being developed. He runs the development for mobile devices as well. 

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Nate Cress | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 26 2018 11:25 AM

Matt Mattox (Faithlife):
Videos do work on the sign feed, but the support is sub par. You can refresh your page once you make a change to your feed. A change could be as simple as checking and unchecking the "Show some Bible Art"

Videos that are added to the Sign Feed schedule in Proclaim and sync to the cloud work in the sign feed. (Side note: This doesn't work very well if you have Bible Trivia enabled). However, videos and moving backgrounds from a Proclaim presentation that is on-air and overtakes the sign feed don't seem to be working. My point above was that since a Chromecast is basically looking for web content to display when you "cast" content to it, it wouldn't be a huge stretch of the imagination to see support for Chromecast on-air presentations even if that means that moving backgrounds are still backgrounds and videos don't play.

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Nate Cress | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 7:30 PM

Just thought I'd check in on the progress on Proclaim for the Web. It would be so nice to be able to quickly add a slide or edit a slide from any internet connected device by simply logging into a web page.

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Nate Cress | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 8:13 PM

Hmmm

I'll just leave this here since some people seem to think that a web app can't handle this sort of thing...

https://bigscreen.show/

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