Run Logos5 from SDcard on Win 8 Tablet

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David Saylor | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2013 2:22 PM

HERE'S HOW

1. You have to format the microsd card in the NTFS format rather than FAT.  Then you can install programs onto the card and they run (I also installed Photoshop Elements on my 32 gb card as well.)

2. Then install Logos 5.0.  Its that easy.  I didn't use hardly any of my very limited c drive space.

3. If you already have the resources and want to avoid redownloading and reindexing, be sure to select Custom installation and uncheck “Automatically Download Updates".  Follow the suggestions here (method 2 or 3). http://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_comput

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 8 2013 3:30 PM

How does Logos perform?

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David Saylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 8 2013 3:59 PM

Better than I would have expected (I have a Asus VivoTab Smart - Atom duel core processor  and I put the program on a 32 mb class 10 microsd card),  I made a layout that links about 4 bible versions and 4 commentaries and little else and I it goes to verse links almost instantly.  It preforms verse searches and lookups in theological dictionaries quickly too.  The timeline is slow (I think its all the graphics).   It's certainly not a smooth as my Core I7 laptop, but it's really satisfactory for being able to carry my entire library on a tablet.  I'm very pleasantly satisfied.

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David Saylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 8 2013 4:05 PM

I'll be retiring my Android tablet permanently now.  Oh, and now I have the advantage of preforming verse lookups/insertions inside MS Word and Powerpoint when I'm doing sermon writing...just like on my laptop.  Cool!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 8 2013 4:16 PM

Thanks, David.  Class 10 is the fastest but I expect that full indexing would be very slow, so I would use Method 2 (from a faster machine) whenever that was necessary.

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David Saylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 8 2013 4:29 PM

Thanks.  That's good to know.  I did use method 2 so I guess I got lucky.Smile

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 4:22 AM

Hi David,

i may get the same tablet based on your recommendation. Did you by chance also get the official Asus keyboard and Golding cover? If so, how do you like them?

Also, others have said that a stylus is a must to use Logos 5 on  Windows 8 tablet.  The VivoTab Smart doesn't come with one.  What's your experience without a stylus?

thanks! 

Peter

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David Saylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 4:58 AM

Peter,

Yes I did get the keyboard and the cover, and they both seem pretty good.  Previously I bought the original Asus Transformer TF101 Android tablet with the keyboard.  This one is tiny compared to that style, but I actually like it better because some of the keys are in similar places to most laptops and there were a couple of stinkers on the TF101 (especially the on/off key which was where the DEL key usually is - i was forever turning the tablet off and having to turn it back on!).  

Maybe I should be more specific about the performance that I am getting (since some others have questioned it elsewhere, and I don't want you to buy things with perhaps a false impression).  First, if this were my only machine to use Logos 5 on, I would be quite disappointed. But for a second machine - a tablet, I'm OK with it.  It DOES have a delay when you click down/up a full screen...but it's relatively short and I can live with it. It does take a good while to load. And I honestly don't know what will happen when it needs reindexing (hasn't happened yet but someone else said it may take a long time).  I must say that even on my Core I7 with a 5400 rpm drive, there are moments when I wish Logos was more responsive.  So I was pretty amazed that I could load my entire (18 gb) program with 2700 books onto my microsd card and have it run as well as it does. I will easily be able to use Logos for sermon writing although I would plan on doing more advanced work from my laptop.  It will be great for travel.  Personally I'd rather have this than the Ipad or Android apps, which do run better, but are so much more limited in total capabilities.  This works just like my laptop, because it IS just like my laptop.  Notes, copying text. Searches, etc.  

I'll report back in the future when I use it for awhile.

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David Saylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 5:20 AM

I don't know about the stylus, but I have a bluetooth mouse (picked up on Amazon cheap) that I use with the tablet and that is great.  

I find in general that I am surprised how well I manage on this tablet with my finger using touch.  Even smaller elements are pretty easy to select. Which is a good thing since all the most powerful programs are the ones on the desktop and are not necessarily set up for touch.  I am a amatuar photographer and I have Adobe Lightroom and PS Elements.  It would be hard to use them without a mouse.  But things like Internet Explorer are not a problem (even though the desktop version is not set up for touch.  Unfortunately Chrome still stinks, and I'm hoping that will be rectified at some point.)  I use MS Word all the time and don't really need the mouse to select things on the menus, etc.  

There are some quirks with a win 8 tablet compared to android and apple, but this is the first version and I think that future ones will be better.  I have had this tablet for a couple of months now and I'm starting to think that Win 8 tablets are getting a bad rap in the media.  Because of their ability to run full PC software, there's no comparison to other laptops.  If they catch, software will adapt to touch, and they will blow away what is out there now. Even now I'm satisfied.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 7:43 AM

Thanks very much for your detailed input, David!

Peter

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2013 9:57 AM

Order placed.  Will report on my experience with the Vivotab later!

Peter

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Alexxy Olu | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 10 2013 1:56 PM

Thought I should share my experience of the ASUS vivo tab

I have been holding out for a Windows 8 tablet that will allow me to have my full logos library and the word library anywhere I happen to be and be capable of decent functionality.

Cast-iron requirements: It must not trigger an alarm on my credit score nor an urgent meeting with the bank manager: I have no collateral!.

 Big Smile

Reading the reviews, I finally desired the ASUS VivoTab Smart windows 8 tablet. I woke up on my birthday, and behold it was amongst my birthday presents. I’m not sure my wife or one of the children didn’t hear my loud but covert desire and then decided to surprise me by making it come true.   

 Hard ware:

  • ASUS VivoTab Smart windows 8 tablet (as a birthday present from my wife and children).
  • I then bought:
    • Micro SD Card 64Gb
    • A wireless Bluetooth keyboard (Great Shield Go 2!) leather folio case (the original from ASUS would have set me back about £100.00) but this cost £21.99 on amazon
    • and a wireless Bluetooth mouse (Snappy Speed Link) £6.99 from eBay.

 I immediately went to work with on it.

  • The tablet is said to have 64GB of storage but actually came with only about 35.4GB of useable space the rest having been used for software.
  • I inserted the micro SD card 64GB. It recognized it without needing to format the card.
  • It also recognized both the Bluetooth keyboard and mouse (no drivers needed).
    • Hence it is like a mini laptop with a total of 128GB.
  • I install my MS office 365 Home Premium on it.
  • I installed “The Word Bible Software” a free software. Took about 10GB of space and I moved it onto the Micro SD card after installation.
  • I installed my full Logos Bible Software library on it. It’s a small library of about 5,000 resources. (L5 Diamond and other resources I have acquired over the years). It occupies 25GB of space.
  • Initially I moved the logos5 to the micro SD card but logos would not work – taking forever to open so I moved it back to the default installation folder on the tablet. It works perfectly well.
  • Indexing was getting too long and I didn’t have the time to wait so I shut down the tablet after about 2 hours (I later realized I should not have shut it down).
  • However, when I had the time again I just went into my Logos installation on my laptop, copied the indexing folders “Library Index”, “Library Catalog” and “Bible Index” to replace folders of the same name on the tablet installation.
  • Restarted Logos and it worked perfectly well.
  • Examples: It takes about 30 sec to open to the home page. Takes much less to open to any of my many layouts. When I did a search for “doctrine of atonement” exact phrase in my entire library, I have Library Results: 349 in 346 (0.5sec).
  • I installed C-cleaner software and cleaned out unwanted software and files.
  • I do not intend to use this to replace my laptop. Rather, it is very exciting for me to have my entire library with me as I travel without the laptop, be able to preach from it and do some note taking too.
  • For me the battery life is decent: I get up to 7 hours with both the Bluetooth keyboard and mouse in use. I did that just to check the battery life.
  • I did notice that each time I change the lay out or try a search there is a slight jerky movement as if it is freezing for few milliseconds but for me it is of no appreciable consequence.
  • I still need a bit of time to get use to the touch but the response of L5 is reasonable.
  • I still have 8.5GB of free space on the tablet and much more on the micro SD card. 
  • I have backed up the recovery partition to a USB flash drive and I can delete that partition from the tablet later if I think I need more free space.
  • I have now used the tablet for more than 2 weeks without any problem.
  • Hope that helps.
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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 10 2013 5:17 PM

That's extremely helpful.  Thanks Alexxy!

Mine will be arriving on Tuesday.  Can't wait!

Thanks,

Peter

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2013 9:53 AM

So my VivoTab came yesterday.  Very good hardware, really like it.

Purchased and installed Office -- works like a charm.

Still struggling to get Logos working.  Followed the steps in Method 2 -- I probably forgot to uncheck the "Automatic updates" checkbox.  It crashed everytime I started Logos after sign-in.

Uninstalled Logos, tried again. This time Logos 5 came up.  It started to do indexing; paused the indexer.  "Preparing Library" ran overnight, probably for 5+ hours.  This morning Logos was up, but there were no resources in the Library at all.  The "scan" command didn't seem to respond.

Checked my installation and file paths on the MicroSD card.  Moved some things around.  When I left work, Logos started and was "Preparing Library" again...

If it keeps at this pace, I may as well just uninstall and do a normal install, and let it download resources and index overnight.

I understand Atom is a lightweight CPU and is not meant for heavy duty work like video processing or Photoshop editing.  The doubt at the back of my mind is, Why does Bible study software have to be so heavyweight?  WordSearch, OliveTree (on PC) all do indexing on the PC client, and I have thousands of resources on WS, yet they all start up in less than a minute.  Libronix used to start in a minute or so on average-grade hardware.  I guess I'm not understanding what "Preparing Library" really is doing (I know it's separate from indexing).

I look forward to the day (Logos 6? 7? 8?) when Logos moves from .NET to a lighter programming platform and performs the same or more functionality without being as hardware hungry as it is today.  I can't imagine budget-strapped ministers/seminarians/churches/missionaries being able to afford the expensive resources from Logos and the expensive hardware to run the software.

Peter

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2013 10:06 AM

Peter my heart aches for you but I am so glad you took the time share the frustrating details.  I am with you brother.

I am obsessed with trying to find the right affordable decent hardware.  I was so tempted to buy the Surface Pro but cannot afford it really.

God bless you as you try to get your machine working.  October is coming and better machines....my advice....return yours and wait with the rest of us.

 

Blessings

Joshua

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David Saylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2013 11:30 AM
Peter, Gee, that was not my experience.  In fact I have been using it without issue.  Yesterday a rather large update of books came in and this morning it took about 1 hour to index - while my Core i7 laptop took about 25 min.  I thought that was quite decent. I'm not sure what to tell you.  One thing that when you use Method 2 is copy/replace a fully completed index from another computer (in my case, my laptop) with the files/folders on the tablet installation.  I assume you did that. Perhaps you should repeat it.  (Since I put the tablet based program on my Microsd card, I just took it out, popped it into my laptop and did a copy and paste from my files on the laptop). I don't know if this is helping at all, but I hope it does. Dave
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David Saylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2013 11:43 AM

Peter,

Your problems resulted in my remembering something that may/may not be significant.

When I was replacing the folders (Data and Documents, I noticed that the names of the subfolders inside were different than the ones in my working Laptop version.  So I did mess around with the names before it worked correctly.  In my case the name 1vvwhhim.zfg  works but I believe (sorry did not make a paper trail) the name I changed it from was kcrobcb3.kbi  . This is in the DATA folder.

Similarly, in the DOCUMENTS FOLDER, the one that I now have that works is entitled, 1vvwhhim.zfg .

Maybe something similar or the same is true in your installation?

Dave

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David Saylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2013 12:18 PM

Peter,

I am feeling pretty stupid at this point.  During my install, I made an dumb operator error and as a result (I thought) I had to go through a lot of extra stuff to recover.  Since I thought it was my dumb error, I assumed all that I did was to recover to get back to method 2, but now I'm thinking that was not the case.   So now I'm trying to retrace my steps (which of course I didn't write down).  My comments just above did not make sense to me after I sent them (when you replace the folders the subfolder names would be automatically changed to the working version). 

Here is what I think I actually did:

  1. Reformatted my card and installed Logos 5 on my microSD card per original directions.
  2. As per Method 2, replaced the DOCUMENTS folder and the other folders mentioned, EXCEPT not the DATA folder)
  3. Went to the Tablet based Logos 5 folder and renamed the subfolders inside the DATA folder to the same name as is found in my working laptop program, which was 1vvwhhim.zfg  (did not change any files contained within....yet)
  4. Instead of copying the entire DATA folder from my working laptop program, I only copied and replaced the following subfolders and their contents:
    1. D:\Logos5\Data\1vvwhhim.zfg\LibraryIndex
    2. D:\Logos5\Data\1vvwhhim.zfg\ResourceManager

That is what I think I did that worked.  I may still be off a little, but that is close.

My sincerest apologies.  I really thought none of that mattered, but I guess it did.  Please let me know what happens.

 

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2013 12:32 PM

Thanks so very much Dave.  I did notice two different folder names this morning but I was in a hurry to get out the door to work so didn't pay much attention to it.  I think your steps are very close and I will try them when I get home tonight.

And thanks, Joshua, for your note and your moral support.  This is a wonderful community and I'm thankful for both of you.

Peter

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2013 3:52 PM

PL:
If it keeps at this pace, I may as well just uninstall and do a normal install, and let it download resources and index overnight.

You might find Method 3 easier and it avoids a download.

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