Butters said:

All I have to say about Pope Francis is:  In the short term, he is about as close to an unmitigated disaster as we can get; however, it should be admitted that we've been through worse and this too shall pass.  Think in centuries, not decades.

Dan Francis said:

as charismatic as JP II was, he near reversal of most of V II was a disaster in my mind.

Wow! So much misinformation floating around I don't know where to begin! Even among Logos users who are supposed to be well read. Instead of turning this thread into a debate about popes, may I suggest that personal opinions about them (and implicit to that by extension the teachings of the Catholic church) be kept that way (i.e. personal), please? Thank you.

Butters said:

All I have to say about Pope Francis is:  In the short term, he is about as close to an unmitigated disaster as we can get; however, it should be admitted that we've been through worse and this too shall pass.  Think in centuries, not decades.

~Butters  

Pardon my ignorance on the subject (being protestant myself), but is a RC permitted to have this kind of opinion about the Pope? Given his relationship regarding Christ in the Church, I wouldn't expect to see opinions like this.

MJ. Smith said:

Sleiman said:

Even among Logos users who are supposed to be well read. Instead of turning this thread into a debate about popes, may I suggest that personal opinions about them (and implicit to that by extension the teachings of the Catholic church) be kept that way (i.e. personal), please? Thank you.

Well said...

It seems to me as if it's okay to hold and express certain opinions on this forum; while others are frowned upon - and the latter are then called out as being contrary to forum rules, and the former are not. 

For example, this was said on the previous page: 

alabama24 said:

alabama24 said:

I'm not Catholic, but the Pope continues to surprise me (mostly in good ways).

Here is an example in today's news: 'Hello, it's Pope Francis': Italian teenager gets surprise phone call

One paragraph was particularly interesting to me:

Article: said:

Pope Francis told the student to address him as 'tu' rather than use the much more formal 'lei' during the conversation. "He said to me, do you think the Apostles would have used the polite form with Christ? "Would they have called him your excellency? They were friends, just as you and I are now, and with friends I'm accustomed to using 'tu'."

Now, see - I find that a bit offensive and, to my way of thinking, exemplifying innumerable misconceptions about the Pope, and Pope Francis, etc.  I would and could argue this at great length; but I won't out of deference to the rules, and out of respect for all of you.  But please, I do need to respond in some small way.  It's not really quite fair to expect me not to.  

Peace.

~Butters [:)] 

William Gabriel said:

Butters said:

All I have to say about Pope Francis is:  In the short term, he is about as close to an unmitigated disaster as we can get; however, it should be admitted that we've been through worse and this too shall pass.  Think in centuries, not decades.

~Butters  

Pardon my ignorance on the subject (being protestant myself), but is a RC permitted to have this kind of opinion about the Pope? Given his relationship regarding Christ in the Church, I wouldn't expect to see opinions like this.

Incidentally, papal infallibility is one of the most deeply misunderstood of the Church's teachings.  Not appropriate to elaborate upon here, I suppose...but there are plenty of places to read about it elsewhere.  I'd be glad to post up something if it's allowed.  

~Butters [:)]

alabama24 said:

Butters –

I am utterly confused. As someone who has done nothing but to seek understanding in this thread from others who are of a different mind and practice from myself, I made a simple comment about how I have been impressed with the Pope. Why would you take offense at that?

You need to keep in mind that Butters declared that he is a Trad, i.e., a traditionalist who is opposed to Vatican II and the change from Latin to the vernacular, etc.  Believe me, Butters is all sweetness and light compared to another Trad that I encountered on a different list.  Be nice to him.

MJ. Smith said:

Personally, I believe that most of this thread is outside Logos guidelines ... but there are currently threads that bother me even more which I would be obligated to call out before this thread ... but I don't want to bump such offensive threads ... dilemma, dilemma, dilemma ... if no one needs protection from personal attacks, is one obligated to step in?

I agree, though I sense that Logos cares more about the spirit of the guidelines. This has been a very civil, delightful discussion that reflects well on the culture of Logos users. I'm sure they don't mind having such OT threads a long as it remains that way.

(Though maybe it's personally interesting to them since they're a progressive company trying to interface with a largely traditional crowd and they're allowing the rules to bend for their own curiosity)

Butters said:

Incidentally, papal infallibility is one of the most deeply misunderstood of the Church's teachings.  Not appropriate to elaborate upon here, I suppose...but there are plenty of places to read about it elsewhere.  I'd be glad to post up something if it's allowed.  

~Butters 

Yeah, I avoided that word--infallibility--on purpose. As you and MJ have indicated, there's some deeper stuff involved that we don't need to get into here. If you want to post a link to something, I'd be happy to peruse, but I don't want anyone killing themselves writing a dissertation. 

Thought of an interesting question.

What happens when most of the printing houses close, and Bible printing becomes an artisan occupation?

Would the fact of a printed Bible costing many times more than a tablet change the equation?

 

Paul Golder said:

Thought of an interesting question.

What happens when most of the printing houses close, and Bible printing becomes an artisan occupation?

Maybe one hint is: http://www.logos.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary  

Logos is too advanced for most users.  They want a simple Bible with different translations and that is what YouVersion gives them.  The advanced Bible Study User (scholarship) use the Logos app or similar apps, or people who want to go deeper than just reading.

Bill Coley said:

I get that some distractions cross the line (e,g, audio sources played sans hearing devices), but where is the line? What about the responsibility the "distracted" people to support the worship needs of those who allegedly "distract" them?

Are, you talking to me or to Super Tramp?

Okay, I brought up the terms Walkman and ipod are those really devices that contribute to the worship needs of congregants? Perhaps they do? I do not know, but I was under the impression that they were used for storing and playing personal music and video. That is why I said  "that might be distracting" and if someone where listing to music "without head phones that would create some issues." I did not say that I absolutely would be distracted. This was and still is hypothetical. In fact I have no idea as I do not go to a congregation where people bring digital music players into worship. 

 

 

Several folks at church use iPods which has their Bibles. They use wifi to connect. All of them have error protection.