Notes, clippings, favorites etc. An analysis for consideration.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Dec 17 2009 9:43 PM

After reviewing Mark Barnes excellent video series on sermon preparation: http://www.4-14.org.uk/logos-bible-software-tutorial-videos/preparing-a-sermon-with-logos#setup-layout, I put together a chart outlining what various tools are available to gather, save and retrieve information in Logos 4. The chart below outlines what each of these tools can and cannot do. Hopefully this chart will assist you in your selection and method for gathering information in Logos 4. Mark has used these tools in his video exactly as I think they should be used given each of their strengths.

Here are the 5 tools available, not counting the Handout, that can be used to gather, organize and retrieve information in Logos Bible Software 4:

1.     Highlighting

2.     Bookmarks

3.     Clipping

4.     Notes

5.     Favorites

The chart below compares and contrasts the differences:

 

Highlighting

Bookmarks

Clipping

Notes

Favorites

Highlight

Yes

No

No

Yes

No

Retrievable

No

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

Searchable

No

No

Yes

Yes

No

Focus

Resource

Tool

Tool

Both

Tool

Multi Resource

No

No

No

Yes

No

Bibliographic Info

No

No

Yes

No

No 

 

Definition of terms:

1.     Highlight-Can the tool highlight the resource?

2.     Retrievable-Can you retrieve information using this tool?

3.     Searchable-Do searches retrieve information from this tool?

4.     Focus-From where does this tool allow you to retrieve your information?

5.     Multi Resource-Can this tool mark information in multiple resources such as various translations of the Bible?

6.     Is bibliographic information easily available?

From here a simple decision tree could be created asking the following questions:

1.     Do you want the information highlighted in the resource? If so, do you want to be able to search, retrieve of access this information? If yes, then notes, if no then highlighting.

2.     If you do not want to highlight the resource, then do you want to be able to search the information? If yes, then clipping or notes. Do you want to access the information from the tool or the resource? If resource, then notes, if tool then either. Do you want to have access to bibliographic information? If yes, then clipping.

Without going further into an elaborate detailed decision tree, a quick summary can be arrived at:

Highlighting is for marking up biblical texts and accenting other resources that will draw attention the next time you are reading that text.

Bookmarks are for temporarily marking your place in a resource to come back to easily at a later date. This is not the best way to accumulate information on a subject or pericope.

Clippings are for retrieving subject specific information that provide a link back to the resource and bibliographic information. There will be no indication in the resources that there are clippings saved. I think clippings are better for gathering specific information directly from a resource as I usually do not want the text highlighted and do not need a reference from the text to the saved data.

Notes are very flexible and can be used for everything from highlighting to linking to information in resources. However, they are not always the best tool to use for such tasks depending on what is desired. As such I think notes are best used for organizing thoughts and taking short notes on the biblical text that you may want to be able to retrieve the next time you are reading that text. Any time you want to go from a resource to an idea or thought you had, notes is what you want to use.

Favorites are best used for organization of information as shown in Mark’s excellent video series on sermon preparation. It is where you can gather and organize your notes and clippings on a pericope or topic.

I do not have the sermon outline tool available from Logos. With that said, I still believe that the final product should be done in word processing software. It can be printed, retrieved and in most cases is in a format that can be transferred easily to other programs if required. Of course none of this is set in stone, and some of you may have other preferences. As long as you get deeper into God's Word it really does not matter.

I hope this analysis, along with Mark's videos provide you some good ideas for gathering, organizing and retrieving information collected in your study of God's Word.

PS, did I mention Mark's videos are really an excellent example of using these tools?

 

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 17 2009 10:24 PM

Good summary table.  Well done :-)

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David Shaw | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 17 2009 10:52 PM

Excellent summary!  This helps me digest the usefulness of these tools. I love this forum!!

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Bruce Junkermann | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 17 2009 10:53 PM

Thanks for your analysis on this topic.  I have stuggled to use notes effectively in L3 but now see how I truly helpful the information gathering tools L4 are.  And you are right, Mark's videos are wonderful in illustrating actual use of these tools. 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 1:33 AM

Great chart. FWIW, highlighting was retrievable in L3, at least you could easily click through your resource going to the next/previous markup. Not anymore. I wish they'd bring that back.

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Esther Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 4:44 AM

Thanks very much for this analysis.  It does really help!

 

Esther

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 4:59 AM

John,

Have you considered putting this on the wiki so it's easier to get to once this thread gets buried? One suggestion, if you do, say it's for 4.0 SR-7 in case any of these things change, that label could help remind that a revision is needed if Logos every changes any of these behaviors.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 6:53 AM

Wow, this definitely belongs on the WIKI John! 

Great chart, I learned something!

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 6:53 AM

I am wiki challenged and would probably really mess it up. If someone wants to put this in the Wiki properly they are welcome to do so. I can provide this in any other format that would assist them in doing so. 

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 7:14 AM

Wow, thanks for taking the time to do this, it clearly took a lot of thought and organization, you must be a "left-brained" person. lol

 

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 7:29 AM

John Fidel:

I am wiki challenged and would probably really mess it up. If someone wants to put this in the Wiki properly they are welcome to do so. I can provide this in any other format that would assist them in doing so. 

Ok, here you go: http://wiki.logos.com/What_are_the_differences_in_user_information_tools

(give me a few minutes to format the data.  It'll all be there)

It's done, anyone want to create the flow chart John mentioned?

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 7:34 AM

Jeremiah, 

I am a CPA, and as such have some analytical tendencies...Smile 

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 7:35 AM

As we say here in New Mexico.. Muchas Gracias Amigo

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 11:36 AM

It's done, anyone want to create the flow chart John mentioned?

I have one in Word, but I cannot figure out how to post it. I can e mail it to someone that may be able to get it on the wiki or here. Let me know where to send it.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 11:53 AM

Here is the flowchart for consideration.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 11:55 AM

I'll put the chart in the wiki

Done

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 12:42 PM

Kevin Becker:

I'll put the chart in the wiki

Done

Excellent collaboration everyone. Thanks!

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J. Morris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 12:43 PM

Excellent! Thanks again John!

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 5:12 PM

Kevin and Thomas, Thank you very much for your assistance!

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Ken F Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 18 2009 9:01 PM

John Fidel:
Here is the flowchart for consideration

If you did this in msWord, you're more capable than I thought (and I already thought you were VERY capable).  I'm learning a drawing program and used your chart as a practice project.  Green arrows represent 'yes' ; red arrows represent 'no'.  Some of the images could be improved on, but it's about bed time.  It can be edited if anyone finds it useful but think it needs tweaking.

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