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David Ames | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2013 6:36 PM
kentuckyliz | Forum Activity | Posted: Yesterday 4:10 AM How about a Verbum forum for that app interface? 

And a forum for Catholic products/interests?

Also:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/74098/517345.aspx#517345 

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/73673/513816.aspx#513816 

It Is Time that Verbum gets its own forum and the rest get their own Blogs

Monday  August 19, 2013 would  be a good starting date. 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 19 2013 5:22 PM

BUMP!

This is on the SUGGESTION Forum

This is the one that LOGOS EMPLOYEES read

There were some asking for a Verbum / Catholic Forum.

One voice does not get much done.  

How many replies by different posters in this thread all requesting a Verbum / Catholic Forum will it take to get it set up?

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Butters | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 19 2013 5:28 PM

I've asked about this too in the past.  

David, what do I do to register my wholehearted support? 

~Butters Smile

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 19 2013 7:17 PM

Butters:

David, what do I do to register my wholehearted support? 

Send Emails to  Andrew  Jones  @   logos.com   with the subject Start Verbum Forum  

He and the other managers already know how I feel. 

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kentuckyliz | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 7 2013 9:31 AM

"How long, O Lord?"

The cry of the white robed army of martyrs rises up from under God's altar in Heaven.

We want a Verbum / Catholic forum!

How long, O Lord?

Big Smile

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 7 2013 1:37 PM

kentuckyliz:
We want a Verbum / Catholic forum!

We have been told in the past that the forums were for all users and it was considered inappropriate to cordon off catholics into their own section (paraphrasing of course). But when denominational sub forums popped up at this point it seems unfair for Catholics not to have their own sub forum, especially considering they have their own packages. Please do note if we do get a sub forum for catholics Logos rules still will apply no theological debates. Generally the denominational forums are simply an area to request certain resources valued by that branch of the church. That being said I have seen less than loving behaviour directly towards some RC people at times, usually from someone who has doctrinal disagreements with roman theology/dogma. Theoretically one should feel safe requesting X resource in catholic forum without being attacked for it (again that being said the vast majority of Logos forum users seem fine not to try starting a theological augment over these, which as pointed out is strictly prohibited by forum guidelines. 

-Dan

PS: I am well aware even within the RCC there are often many hot topics that can raise arguments.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 7 2013 1:56 PM

I can see easily the value for a Catholic/Orthodox vs Protestant (eg broad groupings).

But now, I see a 'Lutheran' author in the Lutheran forum or W.T. in the Reformed one, and think 'Well, ok ... I'm not Lutheran and we don't have any reformed churches here.' So I don't read them. Kind of a 50-50 problem.

"God will save his fallen angels and their broken wings He'll mend."

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 5:21 PM

Bump

I have some Catholic resources that I might like to recommend.  BUT There are some 'words' that seem to invite debates rather then discussions.  

If there was a Catholic / Verbum section like there are Anglican, Lutheran, Orthodox, Pentecostal & Charismatic, Reformed, Seventh-day Adventist Sections then maybe we could discuss the books rather than if they teach truth or error.  It would not be a perfect fix but most have some idea about what group XYZ believes and I have yet to see a statement in the section for XYZ that states that the beliefs of XYZ are wrong. [[I meant 'XYZ' to strand for any given group.  If there is a group XYZ please accept any needed apologies in advance for my ignorance]] 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 5:38 PM

David Ames:
If there was a Catholic / Verbum section like there are Anglican, Lutheran, Orthodox, Pentecostal & Charismatic, Reformed

Hmm, that's strange.  I had assumed there would be one.

george
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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 17 2013 6:52 PM

George Somsel:

Hmm, that's strange.  I had assumed there would be one.

When Logos 5 / Verbum first came out it was decided that there was no need for a Verbum section as it was expected that all posts would be on the operation of the software.  

Now with the other groups there are many discussions within those groups as to where Logos should go with their group.  

The first formed group has no place to go.

Yes, we will also need other groups and space for them over time.  

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 2:49 PM

Up to now I haven't posted anything on this thread simply because I wasn't really sure that I cared that much one way or another. Whenever I pull up the forums, the first thing I do is to click the link at the bottom showing me all posts, not simply those from a particular forum. So to my mind, I didn't really care where folks post, as long as I get a chance to read them.

However, I found that when creating a new post, there's certainly valuable information in tagging it with a related forum (eg earlier today I posted something in the website forum and it makes some sense to me that someone having issues with the website could look in that individual forum and see their own problem). So in a way, forums are helpful for contextual searching, for finding related posts that might not come up in a simple search. To use Gmail terminology, I tend to view forums as labels, not folders (even though programmatically they are probably more of the latter than the former).

However, I will say that I would not suggest creating a "Verbum" forum but would appreciate a "Catholic" forum. Whereas the latter would clearly connect to Catholic resources or discussions about ways of utilizing Catholic resources (either in Logos or Verbum), the former would suggest a much stronger delineation between the software itself and might create the mistaken assumption that Verbum is only for Catholics, that Catholic resources must only be used in Verbum, or that folks using the Logos software don't belong in the forum. On top of that, it would suggest that similar to Verbum, other denominations would eventually each have a product directed towards them.

All in all, creating a "Verbum" forum seems dangerous to me.

But I could certainly see the value in having a specific "Catholic" space created for discussions of specific Catholic resources or software use cases (eg what's the best layout for studying the Catechism). I also think that separate forums for different church communities could be a way to encourage informative interactions that might not be directly focused on Logos as software, but simply as a space where people come together to talk about spiritual or historical or theological issues. Now perhaps that's not a path Logos would like to take (it could distract from software issues), but it's a possibility that tickles my imagination. :)

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 4:16 PM

Nick Steffen:
All in all, creating a "Verbum" forum seems dangerous to me.

I see no difference in adding a Verbum forum anymore than the Vysro and Noet forums. I do agree a "catholic one is all that's needed but anywhere there are separate marketing streams a forum doesn't  seem out of place. My Logos app opens up and says Verbum on the home screen.

-Dan

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 4:37 PM

Dan, that's a good point. I suppose I was reacting more to the idea of adding a Verbum forum that would parallel the other denominational forums rather than one for Verbum specific software issues and a Catholic one for resources. And it sounds like we agree on the value of a Catholic resources forum.

As to the software issues, I would think that there's so much overlap between Verbum and Logos that we could simply modify the title of the Logos 5 forum to Logos 5 / Verbum. As you say, your Logos app is entitled Verbum.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 6:23 PM

Nick Steffen:

But I could certainly see the value in having a specific "Catholic" space created for discussions of specific Catholic resources or software use cases (eg what's the best layout for studying the Catechism). 

Try http://scripturestudysoftware.com/2013/06/04/how-to-use-the-catechism-of-the-catholic-church-in-verbum/ 

Which gets to my other issue: There is a Catholic Blog but I have yet to see the other Groups set one up. 

[[Good post and Yes, Catholic is the better title]]

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 7:54 PM

Nick Steffen:
As to the software issues, I would think that there's so much overlap between Verbum and Logos that we could simply modify the title of the Logos 5 forum to Logos 5 / Verbum. As you say, your Logos app is entitled Verbum.

Yes there is virtually no difference other than i believe the apocryphal texts are treated basically the same as scripture.

-Dan

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2013 9:30 PM

David, why do  you think faith groups should have blogs? Do you feel like those denominations are not marketing the new resources effectively?

If you're suggesting simply that it is unfair that Catholics should have a blog when other denominations do not, then perhaps it would be better to think of it as a Verbum blog, not a Catholic blog. Since Verbum functionality represents the practices of higher liturgical denominations (emphasizing lectionaries, apocrypha, veneration of the saints in devotional selection, etc), then it could make sense (as Dan recommended above) for Logos to maintain a separate blog for that was functionality that would not be applicable to other denominations. As I probably implied in my previous reply, I do allow for a distance between Verbum (software/functionality) and Catholic (church/community) that I think is helpful in this area.

This may be an atypical interpretation of Verbum but I will admit that it is the one that I have found most helpful. That being said, if my interpretation is correct then the problem with the Verbum blog is not that it is the only one and there should be more, but that it tends to post about Catholic resources and projects to the exclusion of other liturgical traditions that would (and do) find benefit in Verbum. I would love to see Orthodox and Anglican posts (among others) in addition to what is currently available. I'm not convinced that a blog is really the proper space for the types of discussions that would belong in a forum. The space doesn't allow for the free-wheeling type of question/response that we get to enjoy here. That's not to say that folks can't ask questions there, but I like the control the forums give to the masses, to create their own threads and discussions. The blogs work well for announcements, but IMHO not so much for discussion.

Now all this assumes that your suggestion would be to recommend denomination blogs in place of the current forums. If you were suggesting that we create the blogs in addition to the forums then, given my belief that blogs (at least in their current incarnations) are better suited for announcements (ie one way streets of information), I come back to my initial question. Do you think that the current set up doesn't effectively market non-Catholic products? If so, then maybe the additional blogs could be helpful at getting the word out. And if my interpretation of Verbum is wrong, then I would expect that we will see more blogs added to the family.

Hope some of that is helpful.

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