Best Way to Get Primary Sources?

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2013 9:26 PM

As a student, I'd be interested to know which collections or resources would be most helpful in obtaining primary sources for the Biblical period, at least during the First and Second Temple periods. There are several collections containing some of these ancient texts, but I'm still curious what the best route would be to acquiring as many as possible.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 9:41 PM

The Biblical Languages Library (http://www.logos.com/product/27551/biblical-languages) is a good start - if you can get it.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2013 9:43 PM

http://www.logos.com/product/24534/bronze

http://www.logos.com/product/27987/verbum-foundations

I would suggest either of these might be your best bet with foundations possibly being a cheaper way to go if you want a more historical look. Others may be able to give you more suggestions but this seems the best in my mind.

-Dan

PS: Also a possibility might be 

Anchor Yale Bible Reference Library (29 vols.) but this is pricier than either two sets and only gives you 29 volumes… it was cheaper when I got it via pre-Pub.

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 11:47 AM

While each of these would offer some of the ancient texts, they're not really complete. The AYB Reference LIbrary seemed like a good option for a handful of texts and some good secondary materials (the Brown commentaries and Meier's work come to mind), but I assumed that there would be some better options out there. Right now I'm leaning toward highest Verbum offering, though I'm open to other suggestions.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 3:32 PM

May want to consider a Jewish Bundle => http://www.logos.com/product/28246/jewish-bundle-xl

Pre-publication with estimated ship date of 29 Aug 2013 => http://www.logos.com/product/23987/baker-academic-old-testament-backgrounds has some resources to ponder.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 3:58 PM

If indeed the question is 'primary sources', the collections seem like the long way around.

For example, First Temple will either be DSS Biblical (a stretch), archaeological ostrica, etc, the inscription resources, or Canaanite/Ugarit/Egyptian.

2nd Temple the DSS Sectarians, the various apocrypha / pseudepigrapha resources, Philo, etc plus jewish Alexandrian. 

Pretty wide area ... are you sure?


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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 4:22 PM

Context of Scripture, Pritchard's ANET, and the 16-volume SBL series, Writings of the Ancient World. 

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 24 2013 6:52 PM

Denise, I really had hoped to get a sense of how big such a list would be. For now I'm focusing on those works that have been translated into English. Adding in Ben's recommendations, here is the list.

1. First Temple

- Context of Scripture

- ANET

- Writings of the Ancient World

- Ancient Egyptian Literature (1,2,3)

2. Second Temple

- Pseudepigrapha

- Dead Sea Scrolls

- Philo

- Josephus

- Mishnah

- Midrash (and others)

- Talmud

- Apostolic Fathers

Nag Hammadi Library

Related Perseus Collections:

Duke Databank of Documentary Papyri

Perseus Classics Collection

Any other additions?

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 29 2013 9:08 AM

So I would assume this is a complete list? Thanks for the suggestions, guys!

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 29 2013 9:33 AM

Yes Nick ... that's a very nice list. Of course you'd want the NT papyri. Elsewise your list would work 95% of the time (while remaining in Logos).

On Philo and Josephus, I'd pick up the critical Josephus / Philo interlinear but that's my own taste.  Ditto on the NT apocrypha, since all 3 then show up in your word studies.

I go deeper into the Canaanite (eg Ugarit, Baal Cycle, Amareans) but the overlap with ANET/COS makes it a stretch.  Some would suggest adding the church fathers and/or the syriacs/coptics.


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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 29 2013 1:10 PM

Thanks for the recommendations, Denise. Am I now linking to the Josephus/Philo set you were thinking of? And can you give me the link for the critical edition of the apocrypha? I also wasn't sure what Amarean (Aramean?) set you had in mind.

I've made some updates to the list. What am I missing?

1. First Temple Israel

2. Second Temple Judaism

3. New Testament Texts

4. Early Christian Texts

Related Collections:

Any other additions? I'm trying to organize a complete list of source material available in Logos.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 1 2013 9:50 PM

Nick Steffen:
Any other additions?

=> http://www.logos.com/product/3000/legends-of-the-jews that is included in Logos 5 base packages: Verbum Capstone, Diamond, and Portfolio.

Introduction to the 2003 edition by David Stern includes: "To this day Legends of the Jews remains the single indispensable reference work on Aggadah."  Legend of the Jews includes notes to primary sources and has an index of passages:

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 1 2013 10:45 PM

There's also:

Bohairic Coptic Collection (2 vols.)

Sahidic Coptic Collection (3 vols.)

The following two books are helpful for lists of other materials. They are, alas, so far only available as part of large bundles, so I'm including just the Table of Contents of each:

1. Ancient Texts for the Study of the Hebrew Bible: A Guide to the Background Literature

Contents


Preface
Abbreviations
List of Tables
Historical Chart
Maps

Introduction
The Essentials of Comparison
Form Criticism and the Hebrew Bible
An Introduction to Generic Theory
More about Genre: The Generic Matrix, Intrinsic Genre, and Analytical Genres
Defending the Analytical Generic Approach
Generic Traits and Analytical Genre
Conclusions
Select Bibliography

1. Near Eastern Archives and Libraries
Introduction
Language and Writing in the Ancient Near East
Scribes, Scholars, Literacy, and Canonicity
1.1. Syria-Palestine
1.2. Mesopotamia
1.3. Egypt
1.4. Anatolia
1.5. Persia
General Bibliography

2. Wisdom Literature
Introduction
2.1. Mesopotamian Wisdom
2.1.1. Standard Mesopotamian Wisdom
2.1.2. Mesopotamian Speculative Wisdom
2.1.3. Other Mesopotamian Wisdom Texts
2.2. Egyptian Wisdom
2.2.1. Standard Egyptian Wisdom: The Instructions
2.2.2. Speculative Egyptian Wisdom
2.3. West Semitic and Hittite Wisdom
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

3. Hymns, Prayers, and Laments
Introduction
3.1. Mesopotamian Hymns, Prayers, and Laments
3.1.1. Sumerian and Akkadian Hymns from Mesopotamia
3.1.2. Mesopotamian Prayers and Laments
3.1.3. Mesopotamian Incantation Prayers
3.2. Egyptian Hymns, Prayers, and Laments
3.3. Hittite Prayers and Hymns
3.4. Ugaritic Hymns and Prayers
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography
Near Eastern Musicology Bibliography

4. Love Poetry (and Related Texts)
Introduction
4.1. Mesopotamian Love Poetry
4.2. Egyptian Love Poetry
4.3. Ugaritic Love Poetry
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

5. Rituals and Incantations
Introduction
5.1. Sacred Space: Cult Statues, Temple Construction, Temple Rites, and Topographic Texts
5.2. Temple Purgation Rituals
5.3. “Scapegoat” Elimination Rituals
5.4. Blood as a Ritual Detergent
5.5. Vernal and Autumnal Festivals
5.6. Priestly Ordination Texts
5.7. Other Priestly Instruction Texts
5.8. Other Apotropaic, Prophylactic, and Productive Rituals
5.8.1. Mesopotamian Apotropaic, Prophylactic, and Productive Rituals
5.8.2. Egyptian Apotropaic, Prophylactic, and Productive Rituals
5.8.3. Hittite Apotropaic, Prophylactic, and Productive Rituals
5.8.4. Ugaritic Apotropaic, Prophylactic, and Productive Rituals
5.9. Ritual and Death: Funerary Cults and Cults of the Dead
5.9.1. Egyptian Funerary Cults and Cults of the Dead
5.9.2. Mesopotamian Funerary Cults and Cults of the Dead
5.9.3. Hittite Funerary Cults and Cults of the Dead
5.9.4. Ugaritic Funerary Cults and Cults of the Dead
5.10. Other Texts
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

6. Intermediary Texts: Omens and Prophecies
Introduction
6.1. Mesopotamian Omens and Prophecies
6.1.1. Mesopotamian Omen Literature
6.1.2. Mesopotamian Prophecies
6.2. Egyptian Prophecies and Omens
6.3. West Semitic and Hittite Intermediation
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

7. Apocalyptic and Related Texts
Introduction
7.1. Mesopotamian Pseudoprophecies
7.2. Egyptian Apocalypses
7.3. Persian and Greek Apocalypses
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

8. Tales and Novellas
Introduction
8.1. Egyptian Tales and Novellas
8.2. Mesopotamian Tales and Novellas
8.3. Hittite Tales
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

9. Epics and Legends
Introduction
9.1. Mesopotamian Epics and Legends
9.1.1. Epic Tales of Enmerkar, Lugalbanda, and Gilgamesh
9.1.2. The Legends of Sargon, Naram-Sin, and the Other Sargonid Kings
9.1.3. Other Epics and Legends from Mesopotamia
9.2. The Ugaritic Epics
9.3. Legends from Egypt and Hatti
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

10. Myth
Introduction
10.1. Mesopotamian Myths
10.1.1. Sumerian Myths
10.1.2. Akkadian Myths
10.2. Egyptian Myths
10.3. Hittite Myths
10.4. Ugaritic Myths
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

11. Genealogies, King Lists, and Related Texts
Introduction
11.1. Mesopotamian King Lists and Related Texts
11.2. Egyptian King List
11.3. Ugaritic King Lists
11.4. Near Eastern and Greek Genealogies
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

12. Historiography and Royal Inscriptions
Introduction
12.1. Mesopotamian Historiography
12.1.1. Mesopotamian Chronicles and Annals
12.1.2. Other Mesopotamian Texts and Sources
12.2. Egyptian Historiography
12.2.1. Egyptian Chronicles, Annals, and Biographies
12.2.2. Other Egyptian Texts and Sources
12.3. Hittite Historiography
12.4. Persian Historiography
12.5. Ancient Phoenician Historiography
12.6. Ancient Greek Historiography
12.7. Excursus: The Scandinavian Sagas
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

13. Law Codes
Introduction
13.1. The Sumerian Laws
13.2. The Akkadian Laws and Mīšaru Edicts
13.3. Other Codes and Texts
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

14. Treaty and Covenant
Introduction
Treaties, Oaths, and Grants
Concluding Observations
General Bibliography

15. Epigraphic Sources from Syria-Palestine and Its Environs
Introduction
15.1. Hebrew Inscriptions
15.2. Other West Semitic Inscriptions
General Bibliography

Index of Modern Authors

Index of Hebrew Bible and Early Jewish Literature

Index of Ancient Near Eastern Sources

Index to English Translations found in ANET

Index to English Translations found in COS

Index of Museum Numbers, Textual Realia, and Standard Text Publications

2. Ancient Texts for New Testament Studies: A Guide to the Background Literature

Contents


Preface

Abbreviations

Introduction
An Overview of the Writings
The Value
The Method
General Bibliography

1. The Old Testament Apocrypha
Summaries
Themes
General Bibliography

2. The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha
Summaries
Themes
General Bibliography

3. The Dead Sea Scrolls
Contents
Discoveries in the Judaean Desert (DJDJ/DJD):
Identity of the Scrolls Community
Summaries of Qumran Documents
Summaries of Masada Documents
Summaries of Murabbaʿat Documents
Summaries of Naḥal Ḥever Documents
Summaries of Naḥal Ṣeʾelim (Wadi Seiyâl) Documents
Summaries of Wadi Sdeir Documents
Summaries of Naḥal Mishmar Documents
Summaries of Khirbet Mird Documents
Summaries of Wadi Ed-Daliyeh Documents
Summaries of Cairo Genizah Documents
Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha
Pesharim: Qumran’s Commentaries on Scripture
Targumim
Themes
General Bibliography

4. Versions of the Old Testament
Summaries
Themes
General Bibliography

5. Philo and Josephus
Philo
Philo and the New Testament
General Bibliography for Philo
Josephus
Josephus and the New Testament
Versions of Josephus’s Writings
General Bibliography for Josephus

6. The Targums
Summaries
Themes
General Bibliography

7. Rabbinic Literature
Summaries of Talmudic Literature
Summaries of Tannaic Midrashic Literature
Summaries of Amoraic Midrashic Literature
Later Midrashim
Medieval Commentators
Special Themes
General Bibliography

8. The New Testament Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha
Summaries of Selected Writings
Studies
General Bibliography

9. Early Church Fathers
Summaries
General Bibliography

10. Gnostic Writings
Coptic Gnostic Library: Text, Translation, and Commentary
Studies
Mandaean Materials
General Bibliography

11. Other Writings
Greco-Roman Authors
Greco-Roman Authors on Jesus and Early Christianity
Corpus Hermeticum
Samaritan Writings
Papyri, Inscriptions, Coins, and Ostraca
General Bibliography

12. Examples of New Testament Exegesis
The Nazareth Sermon
The Parable of the Talents
The Parable of the Wicked Vineyard Tenants
“I Said, ‘You Are Gods’ ”
“The Word Is Near You”
Ascending and Descending with a Shout
Paul and the First Adam


APPENDIXES

1. Canons of Scripture that Include the Apocrypha

2. Quotations, Allusions, and Parallels to the New Testament

3. Parallels between New Testament Gospels and Pseudepigraphal Gospels
Sources and Bibliography
General Bibliography

4. Jesus’ Parables and the Parables of the Rabbis
General Bibliography

5. Jesus and Jewish Miracle Stories
Honi ha-Meʿaggel
Abba Hilkiah, Grandson of Honi
Hanin ha-Nehba
Hanina ben Dosa
Eleazar the Exorcist
Phineas ben Yair
An Anonymous Hasid
Later Traditions about Famous Rabbis
General Bibliography

6. Messianic Claimants of the First and Second Centuries
Biblical and Historical Precedents
Messianic Kings
Messianic Prophets
Messianic Priests
Later Messianic Claimants
General Bibliography

Index of Modern Authors

Index of Ancient Writings and Writers

Index of Ancient Sources

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Butters | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 6:25 AM

I sincerely wish Logos would create packages that focus more on Original Language study.   

I am simply not interested in any English language material, or translations.  

I am not a pastor, a minister, or a Priest and so have zero need for lectionaries or sermon/ministry/counseling material, or Church planning, etc. 

Ken McGuire:

The Biblical Languages Library (http://www.logos.com/product/27551/biblical-languages) is a good start - if you can get it.

Does anyone know the exact contents of this^ package?

Why is the whole thing so secretive?  Is it difficult to "get it"?  Why is that?  Who does get it?  

Butters is simply brimming with questions this morning.  

~Butters Smile

 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 7:14 AM

Nick Steffen:
What am I missing?

Under Early Christian Texts, you should also have:

If you're including non-English works under Second Temple Judaism there are also other things that should be added, such as the Qumran Sectarian Manuscripts.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 8:00 AM

I can't spell! I was referring to works on cultures east of Phoenicia eg: http://www.logos.com/product/6231/the-world-of-the-aramaeans 

But my absolute fav is http://www.logos.com/product/5787/semitic-inscriptions-analyzed-texts-and-english-translations (interlinears!) This overlaps ANET/COS but considerably more detail.

Mark listed the NT apocrypha resource.

Your query led me to: https://www.logos.com/product/30257/ah-assyria-studies-in-assyrian-history Very interesting; bought it!


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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 8:23 AM

Butters:
Why is the whole thing so secretive?  Is it difficult to "get it"?  Why is that?  Who does get it?  

Here is the official answer to your question take time to read the thread (link) and you will find the other answers to your questions.

 

Bob Pritchett:

tom:
I am wondering why this package is not being offered to the general public?

There's no theological conspiracy here. Original Languages simply sold very few units, and it didn't fit the "each package is a super-set of the previous package" hierarchy. We felt it introduced more confusion than clarity in purchase process / comparison charts. (And I think we made this decision before we established the dynamic pricing engine.) As you've pointed out, we do have a new "Biblical Languages" package which we're offering via academic sales, which is where almost all Original Languages sales happened.

We may offer it via the web site in the future; I expect we may even have other specialized collections. But whatever they are, you can be sure we aren't pushing a particular theological position; we're just trying to meet the market needs.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 8:33 AM

The Biblical Languages Library (http://www.logos.com/product/27551/biblical-languages)

Butters:
Does anyone know the exact contents of this^ package?Why is the whole thing so secretive?  Is it difficult to "get it"?  Why is that?  Who does get it?  

Butters is simply brimming with questions this morning.  

Apparently this is only available to students. It could be there is a non-disclosure agreement to keep the rest of us from coveting. Surprise I do not remember what the contents are. It has been posted somewhere in the forums. (Rosie? Mark?) I know it is part of Portfolio.

Super.Tramp is brimming with ignorance today.    Cheers, Butters. Beer

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Butters | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 9:06 AM

Super Tramp:

The Biblical Languages Library (http://www.logos.com/product/27551/biblical-languages)

Butters:
Does anyone know the exact contents of this^ package?Why is the whole thing so secretive?  Is it difficult to "get it"?  Why is that?  Who does get it?  

Butters is simply brimming with questions this morning.  

Apparently this is only available to students. It could be there is a non-disclosure agreement to keep the rest of us from coveting. Surprise I do not remember what the contents are. It has been posted somewhere in the forums. (Rosie? Mark?) I know it is part of Portfolio.

Super.Tramp is brimming with ignorance today.    Cheers, Butters. Beer

LOL!  Big Smile  Yeah, that too!  

I do have a rather pronounced tendency to covet.  Maybe the powers that be at Logos are are looking out for our spiritual well-being!  Have you ever read Manalive by Chesterton - "Innocent Smith" tramps all the way around the earth so he can come back to his own house, peak over his bushes, and covet his own house, his own wife, his own garden, lol.  Then, he breaks in to have the excitement of stealing (and drinking) his own wine.  Hehee!  Smile 

There was a long thread about this that BK just pointed me to:  http://community.logos.com/forums/t/60280.aspx?PageIndex=1  In it there's a list of the resources in Biblical Languages.  

I just posted the same old rant I've been ranting about ever since ranting was invented.  Even I'm sick of hearing myself.  LOL! 

Cheers to you Super Tramp! Beer

~Butters Smile

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 10:32 AM

Dan Francis:

Anchor Yale Bible Reference Library (29 vols.) but this is pricier than either two sets and only gives you 29 volumes… it was cheaper when I got it via pre-Pub.

Dan,

Do you happen to remember what the pre-pub price was for the AYB Reference Library?

Blessings,

Steve

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