Which tablet is best?

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David W Lancon | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Sep 2 2013 6:26 AM

I have been using LOGOS for study and sermon prep on my PC for several years and now have a desire to go mobile using a tablet; which works best..?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 6:32 AM

Hi David - and welcome to the forums

David W Lancon:
have a desire to go mobile using a tablet; which works best..?

The mobile app is further advanced on iOS (so iPad) but it has been making good strides in the Android space.

Probably one of the biggest things still lacking on Android is direct access to notes documents.

So for fullest capability I would go with an iPad but there are many users on the forums who really enjoy their Android tablets.

Graham

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 7:00 AM

As many of the Tablets may get listed here would you please give us a hint as to how readable they are in darkness and in the full light of the sun.  Thanks.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 7:37 AM

David Ames:
As many of the Tablets may get listed here would you please give us a hint as to how readable they are in darkness and in the full light of the sun.

I don't think you are going to find a great difference in Tablets... at least the ones with the better screens. If you are wanting good readability in the sun, you aren't looking for a tablet, but an eInk reader.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 7:48 AM

alabama24:

I don't think you are going to find a great difference in Tablets... at least the ones with the better screens. If you are wanting good readability in the sun, you aren't looking for a tablet, but an eInk reader.

Thanks!   But I NEED Logos app on what ever I get [Tending towards the iPad but expensive - was using my granddaughter's Nook HD+ and am impressed]

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 9:21 AM

 

David W Lancon:

I have been using LOGOS for study and sermon prep on my PC for several years and now have a desire to go mobile using a tablet; which works best..?

for price - Nexus7, For Logos App - iPad, for full Logos5 experience - Microsoft Surface Pro

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 9:26 AM

David Thomas:

for price - Nexus7, For Logos App - iPad, for full Logos5 experience - Microsoft Surface Pro

WHY?  Devil

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David W Lancon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 9:36 AM

I pad verses surface pro seems to be the challenge. I’m comfortable with both but
want the best overall for LOGOS

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 9:48 AM

On the Surface Pro I can read my personal books and do morph searches. I can also use the Bible Word Study tool when not connected to the internet.

If I don't need to access all the features of L5, the iPad app is quite nice (although I haven't used it since March when I lost use of the iPad I was using).

 

 

 

 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 9:49 AM

David W Lancon:

I pad verses surface pro seems to be the challenge. I’m comfortable with both but
want the best overall for LOGOS

If this is the choice you present, then the answer depends upon what you mean by "best for Logos." The moble apps are NOT "Logos 5," and thier functionality isn't the same. Many features require an Internet connection. That is what you would get with the iPad. I believe that the surface pro can run the windows mobile app, but that is currently ONLY a reader. The iPad app is much more advanced. On the other hand, the surface PRO (not RT) can run the full version of Logos. Personally I don't think that is a good option for most people... It doesn't have a large drive, it's underpowered, it flopped in the market of ideas... But it will run L5. If you do lean that route, remember that your ENTIRE library, along with index files etc. will consume a very large part of your storage space. (The mobile apps CAN download your entire library [minus non mobile enabled resources... Another thing to consider] but were designed to access books from the "cloud.")

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 10:29 AM

The iPad mini isn't great for Logos only because the resolution is low compared to large iPad or Nexus 7 as others mentioned.

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 12:59 PM

I'll offer the Asus VivoTab Smart for your consideration. It runs full Windows 8, so you can install Logos 5. It is half the price of the Surface Pro, and comes with Office Home and Student. You can install L5 on a microsd card, as long as you format it as NTFS. It's lighter than the Surface, and has longer battery life. On the con side, the Asus is slower than the Surface and its screen resolution isn't quite as good. It all depends on what you really need.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 1:05 PM

As an ereader, I would choose the new Nexus 7 update (if you can find one without gps and touch functionality issues - which some have claimed has been fixed recently).  Be advised the search functionality is buried too deep in the Logos app though.  IMHO The app is primarily for reading.  Logos has failed to update the useful search functionality in any meaningful useful way so far on an android.

I would wait to purchase anything for Windows as every single Windows Tablet has issues.   I also do not like or support Apple products (I am not sure why concerned Bible believing conservative Christian would - but thats for another forum not this one.)

In short, none of them, especially The Surface Pro, is worth buying.

The SP is expensive, backlit and hard to read at times, has lousy battery life, and worse no volume of any merit.

Mr. Lancon....it may be best to wait.  I have for months.  Paying over or up to 1K for anything seems pointless right now!

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David W Lancon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 1:17 PM

I have read there may be another SP by the end of the year...

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 1:22 PM

Mark, I have read what others have written about this cheaper Windows Tablet (Asus VivoTab) but I have read it topples over quite easily, is atom based (which we all know is really too slow to be helpful) and one needs to be a programmer to get it all configured out of the box too, huh? 

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 1:25 PM

I am enjoying logos on my new nexus 7, and it is great to just pop it in your pocket.

The best tablet is often the one you can have with you.

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 2:14 PM

It all depends on what you need and want. I have no toppling issues, because I bought a cheap sturdy stand. I'm using the tablet on my lap to write this. As for speed, L5 takes 24 seconds to boot up. A Scripture passage search takes 14 seconds. Going into reading mode takes 10. How much speed do I really need? Two sips of coffee and I'm ready for the next step in my research! A reflective pace works for me, especially in studying God's Word. I'm no programmer, yet I have L5 working well.

The new Nexus 7 is a great Android choice, from what I've seen. You gain portability, but lose some Logos capabilities. Again, it all depends on what you need!

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 2:17 PM

alabama24:
I believe that the surface pro can run the windows mobile app, but that is currently ONLY a reader.

That is surface RT the pro is a full i5 computer running windows 8.

-Dan

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David Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 2 2013 4:32 PM

I have been using LOGOS for study and sermon prep on my PC for several years and now have a desire to go mobile using a tablet; which works best..?

I think the best advice currently is to "wait" a few more months. 

To "go mobile using a tablet" may be giving us a false idea of what you expect when using a tablet.
Is your expectation to use the tablet just for study/reading or for the full "study and sermon prep" that you are familiar with on your PC?

If you want the full capability of your PC in a mobile/tablet form then you will need an expensive tablet base on the full Windows operating system (NOT the RT version), many examples, most currently with insufficient storage (SSD) capacity (below 256GB), most with poor performing CPU (in terms of either processing power (Atom) or battery life (3rd generation i5 or i7) and all expensive when fully kitted out. Suggest you either wait until the next generation of tablets (4th quarter of 2013) (256GB SSD, 4th generation Haswell i5 or i7 with a full Windows 8.1 version (Home Premium or Pro NOT RT), or, if you can afford it (more than $1500 fully equipped) AND need it now, compromise on a touch screen convertable laptop, such as the Sony VAIO Duo 13 (custom upgrade to 256GB SSD), SONY ATIV Book 9 Plus (again with custom upgrade to 256GB).  Alternatively you may consider a MacBook Air.  Reason for 256GB is that you will feel VERY restricted on what you can do on a 128GB or smaller system given you have paid a lot for the system and otherwise have full windows capability.  You can consider a regular non windows tablet if you are primarily interested in using a tablet for study and are willing to accept Logos capability below the full Logos 5 capability (Logos apps for iPad and Android do not have the full capability of Logos 5 because the regular tablet processors cannot handle it efficiently, ask anyone (like me) who runs Logos 5 on an Intel Atom Netbook). You will need a stylus pen of some sort if you are using a full Windows tablet without a keyboard/mouse-pad.

If you get a tablet, remember you will likely need to add a (bluetooth) keyboard if you plan to do sermon prep (unless you are just taking a few notes and are comfortable using a touch screen keyboard).

If you are just looking for a tablet for study/reading then your next choice is size of tablet, 10 or 11 inch model or a handheld 7 to 8 inch model.

Either an iPad of a good Android operating system tablet could work for you.  A key thing will be the size of your library (and any intended libary expansion over the period you will use the tablet, plus other uses for the tablet). You may find 16GB (or smaller) models restrictive (prompts to delete files or apps as the memory is getting full), so you may want to consider 32GB as the minimum (many are MUCH smaller and will function only with a small library). Remember you cannot store your Logos library books on an external microSD card (these are primarily for photos and music etc).

Screen resolution is important for reading as is the readability of the screen under high light situations (indoors or outdoors).  Many screens are too reflective and difficult to use in some situations, even indoors.

iPads and iPad minis work well with their Logos app (rumours are of a new model coming this fall so you may see a significant price drop coming soon on existing models).

The Nexus 7 (Google/Asus, Android operating system) is probably the best Android handheld (mini) at the present time, look for and if necessary wait for the 32GB model rather than the 16GB model (relatively small price difference), very good screen resolution.  If budget is a consideration you may find bargains as other manufacturers with smaller capacity memory and poorer screen resolution reduce prices to clear current stocks of poorer performing models.

My preference in regular size tablets if for Samsung, again 32GB should be your minimum for Android tablets (and 256GB for full Windows tablets or touch screen lighweight laptops). Check how reflective the screen is for any tablet and consider how and where you will use it.  Avoid single core processors and go for quad core (over dual core) if you can (on any tablet).  All operating systems will want to "call home" via a wireless internet or 3G/4G connection while you want to read/study or type, especially when you first start the sytem to do something important right now.  Allow one processor to do these background tasks and ensure you have another for your Logos app ). (Phones want to "call home" via the internet, update your library and check for phonecalls and text messages while you study using your app - little wonder you find things can become unresponsive to anything other than turning to the next page.)

If you want to do sermon prep and study at the same time you may want to reconsider the full Windows or iOS capability of a lightweight laptop.  Tabbing between apps (switching between your notes and reading/study pane) is not quite as quick and simple on a regular tablet app.....

 

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