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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Sep 10 2013 12:16 PM

Logos, are you committing to a newly revamped improved fully functional Logos Software application now that Microsoft seems on the verge of updating the Surface Pro RT hardware please?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 10 2013 12:17 PM

The continual answer is that Logos will "wait and see." People have to buy it before Logos will commit to it. So far, that hasn't happened. At all. 

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David Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 8:23 AM

Isn't the point that the "modern UI" defines Window 8 and Microsoft's future direction, and "Windows 8 market share surpasses all versions of OS X combined":

(http://www.techspot.com/news/53854-windows-8-market-share-surpasses-all-versions-of-os-x-combined.html)

So should the question be, when will Logos support the "modern UI", including Surface, RT, and Windows Phone, or am I missing something? I'm not aware of a Logos Surface app for the Intel processor. Thanks.

 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 8:36 AM

David Brown:

Isn't the point that the "modern UI" defines Window 8 and Microsoft's future direction, and "Windows 8 market share surpasses all versions of OS X combined":

(http://www.techspot.com/news/53854-windows-8-market-share-surpasses-all-versions-of-os-x-combined.html)

This article is talking about the Windows 8 platform as a whole and not specifically about the RT environment.

David Brown:
I'm not aware of a Logos Surface app for the Intel processor.

http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-gb/app/c54ee3d8-1ccb-4265-89ae-41ffb92f65e0 is available

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David Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 8:59 AM

Which is why it was phrased as a question...

I know the original question was about RT alone, but I am wondering if there is a larger question here, if perhaps the question might be then when will Logos support Windows on ARM, whether Surface RT or smartphone? Or am I missing something else?

Thank you for the pointer to the app. I don't remember seeing any e-mail announcement about it.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 9:12 AM

David Brown:
I know the original question was about RT alone, but I am wondering if there is a larger question here, if perhaps the question might be then when will Logos support Windows on ARM, whether Surface RT or smartphone? Or am I missing something else?

I am unsure what you are asking… Windows RT (AKA "Windows on ARM") has had a minuscule response from consumers. No one is buying it! See HERE if you don't believe me. Unless people start buying the devices, Logos will not invest much in the platform. NOTE: Windows 8 RT is not the same thing as Windows 8 Pro.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 9:16 AM

David Brown:
Thank you for the pointer to the app. I don't remember seeing any e-mail announcement about it.

You might find the discussions in http://community.logos.com/forums/108.aspx interesting

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David Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 9:33 AM

Granted that the Surface RT has not sold well at this point, but there are other devices using ARM, and I'm not sure that you could say their sales are miniscule. For example the Windows 8 Phone has sold 8.7 million devices so far in 2013, an increase of around 78% over the previous period last year, and is now in the number 3 spot for smart phone sales. So 8.7 million ARM-based smartphone + 0 Surface RT is still 8.7 million ARM devices. But Surface RT sales are not zero. Am I still missing out on understanding this? Maybe I am. Is there sufficient business for Logos on ARM? I don't know. But I'd like to see it.

Graham, thank you for the forum pointer too.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 10:37 AM

David Brown:
For example the Windows 8 Phone has sold 8.7 million devices so far in 2013, an increase of around 78% over the previous period last year, and is now in the number 3 spot for smart phone sales.

Yes, but that is less than 5% of the market. Wink

David Brown:
Is there sufficient business for Logos on ARM?

Apparently so. 

I'm really not trying to be argumentative, but I do want you to understand that things don't look good for Windows RT. If you are contemplating a mobile purchase, you might be better served looking elsewhere… At least where Logos is concerned.

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David Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 11:28 AM

IDC predicts (with all the dangers inherent in that) of 7.4% next year, and I think 10% in 2015.

Too late for me... There were benefits of the Microsoft business software platform (beyond simple Excel and Word) such that having a smartphone which integrated into that platform was compelling. So I type this a Windows 8 desktop with 3 monitors (try that with an iPad), carry a Surface Pro, and pocket a Windows Phone, all integrated through Windows Live and SkyDrive, SharePoint, Skype, and other things. I may even get a $299 refurb Surface RT for my wife.

I know, I'm apparently trying to mix business (Microsoft) and consumer (Logos) products. With Windows maintaining a 91% total OS market share, my Windows orientation is not changing anytime soon. Just wish I could have it both ways, with Logos on Windows ARM...

Thanks.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 11:31 AM

I understand. Smile

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Geo Philips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 11:46 AM

Lets see if the new Atom platform is half-decent. We might not need RT anymore

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/fall-2013-windows-tablet-preview 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 12:05 PM

Geo - If you add a space after the weblink, it will become active like this:

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/fall-2013-windows-tablet-preview 

(This "feature" was added as a small preventative to spam)

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Geo Philips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 12:59 PM

Thanks Alabama....Smile

(BTW, isnt there some big college football game this weekend with Alabama? Dont know if you follow it. As a Canadian, I watch some NFL, no NCAA.)

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 2:05 PM

I've heard there is a small game this weekend. Wink

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 4:41 PM

Roll Tide

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2013 5:21 PM

Geo and others....no one likes wants or needs RT but MS seems to be keeping it around for another go around from all I read lately.

I am just curious if Logos will finally nibble or take the bait.

I would much prefer the OS that runs on a one day (gulp) affordable Surface Pro Version 2.

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David Brown:

when will Logos support Windows on ARM, whether Surface RT or smartphone? Or am I missing something else?

The programming models for Windows RT and Windows Phone 8 are sufficiently different that we consider these to be two separate applications. (Yes, much of the code can be shared, both between these two apps and between these apps and the desktop apps, but there would still be a significant amount of custom code for each platform. So we would make a decision on developing each one separately; building one would not imply we would build the other.)

Windows Phone 8 has been discussed multiple times previously on the forums. The current official answer is that we are watching its marketshare and may develop an app if it increases.

For Windows Store Applications (i.e., Windows 8 "modern UI"), the story is similar: we're watching its marketshare.

There are two types of Windows 8 tablets: ARM-based devices (e.g., Surface RT) and Intel-based devices (e.g., Surface Pro). Our current answer for Intel-based devices (which are the overwhelming majority of Windows 8 installations) is: install Logos 5. It's not 100% touch-compatible, but it works, and it (by definition) has all the features of Logos 5. Smile For ARM-based devices, my current (personal) opinion is that Windows on ARM (tablets) is "dead". I was at the Microsoft Build conference this year, and there was just one ARM-based device on stage during the keynote--quite a difference from the emphasis at Build 2011. Meanwhile, Haswell and Broadwell are bringing ever-increasing power efficiency to Intel-based tablets, which also have the benefit of being able to run all existing Windows apps (see "install Logos 5", above).

At the moment, given that most Windows 8 installations are Intel-based, we're not developing two separate apps (i.e., desktop and Windows Store) for Windows 8.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 14 2013 10:44 AM

God bless you Bradley...thanks for weighing in Sir.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 14 2013 1:00 PM

alabama24:
(This "feature" was added as a small preventative to spam)

It was deliberate? And I who thought it was a bug...

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