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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2013 7:16 PM

It appears to be part of a larger pattern:

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments?dom=PSC&loc=recent&lnk=1&con=why-were-shutting-off-our-comments-

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 25 2013 7:20 PM

Who would guess that Popular Science would be that contentious?

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Fall-Guy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 25 2013 7:22 PM

Reminiscent of Galileo being told to quit his comments on science. Sad to see the Popular Science website take that action.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 25 2013 8:02 PM

Surprising, since at PopSci, 'the future is now'

They're don't need to argue about the future. Plus no prophets since 'the future is now'

Actually that was the NT promise!

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 25 2013 9:12 PM

Thanks M.J. for this interesting article.  I have experienced the difficulty in articulating a comment or question in a way that adds to an on-line discussion.  Timing, audience, vocabulary, context have worked against my sincere intentions.  It inclines me to step back from participation at times. 

For the host of such services it comes down to the question of where to draw the lines.  Popular Science is simply making a choice on where the line is for them. 

In that respect, I've come to appreciate Logos' Forum Guidelines in approaching the difficulties of managing website forums.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 26 2013 4:02 AM

Steve:
In that respect, I've come to appreciate Logos' Forum Guidelines in approaching the difficulties of managing website forums.

I too am gaining a greater appreciation of this as time passes.

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 26 2013 6:46 AM

agreed.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 26 2013 7:07 AM

With the greatest respect, Don, I think people were directing comments not to Logos at large, but in the context of some big incident that could have been avoided with slightly more care, by the people in charge of the rollout process.

There is room for grace, and also professionalism. It's not always a clear line or an easy line to walk, but I think the directed complaints have been fair in this particular situation. To take a particular example, regarding my comments, I chose to characterise the error in a manner which might have sounded "nasty and unforgiving". I take responsibility for that. But to my thinking, in a purely secular setting, if grace were not an ethos, an error of a similar magnitude could have led to economic consequences far worse. As far as I see it, grace is still operating.

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JPH | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 26 2013 6:09 PM

That article was stupid.

;)

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 26 2013 6:57 PM

JPH:

That article was stupid.

;)

I agree, here is a quote from the article for those who did not actually read it.

A politically motivated, decades-long war on expertise has eroded the popular consensus on a wide variety of scientifically validated topics. Everything, from evolution to the origins of climate change, is mistakenly up for grabs again.

This is stupid.

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Butters | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 26 2013 7:14 PM

Kent:

JPH:

That article was stupid.

;)

I agree, here is a quote from the article for those who did not actually read it.

A politically motivated, decades-long war on expertise has eroded the popular consensus on a wide variety of scientifically validated topics. Everything, from evolution to the origins of climate change, is mistakenly up for grabs again.

This is stupid.

It truly is a bizarre quote, especially from someone who - ostensibly at least - is claiming to be scientifically-oriented.  

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 26 2013 8:40 PM

Butters:
t truly is a bizarre quote, especially from someone who - ostensibly at least - is claiming to be scientifically-oriented.  

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 26 2013 9:53 PM

Super.Tramp:
I'd like to weigh in on this...... 185lbs.

With or without Logos? If with, how many resources? Stick out tongue Had to turn this back to Logos somehow? Wink

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 26 2013 10:02 PM

BillS:

Super.Tramp:
I'd like to weigh in on this...... 185lbs.

With or without Logos? If with, how many resources? Stick out tongue

That's the joy of digital books. They don't weigh anything, so his weight would be the same whether with Logos or without. Well, of course you've got to count the weight of his laptop or whatever, but that's not what you asked.

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 27 2013 8:56 AM

Did y'all see this related piece from the NY Times? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/magazine/no-comments.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 27 2013 9:19 AM

Ben Amundgaard:

Did y'all see this related piece from the NY Times? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/magazine/no-comments.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

Nice history. 

Do you suppose forum incivility has replaced the saloon of the Wild, Wild, West? We need some place to come to fistifcuffs.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 27 2013 3:11 PM

Kent:

JPH:

That article was stupid.

;)

I agree, here is a quote from the article for those who did not actually read it.

A politically motivated, decades-long war on expertise has eroded the popular consensus on a wide variety of scientifically validated topics. Everything, from evolution to the origins of climate change, is mistakenly up for grabs again.

This is stupid.

Wow!  And I thought everything was always up for grabs in science, and you simply go where the evidence leads.  Apparently, you go where the evidence leads, unless it leads to scientific heresy.

That opening sentence:  "Comments can be bad for science. That's why, here at PopularScience.com, we're shutting them off."  In other words, from now on we will tell you what to believe.

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 27 2013 3:16 PM

Michael Childs:

Apparently, you go where the evidence leads, unless it leads to scientific heresy.

Very interesting comment, Michael.  I'm intrigued.  What is scientific heresy?

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 28 2013 9:52 AM

Steve:
Very interesting comment, Michael.  I'm intrigued.  What is scientific heresy?

Scientific heresy is holding an interpretation of evidence that is different from the consensus held by a particular group. The particular group is hard to define, but consists mostly of those who control the primary journals in the various fields and those to whom they give access.

Back to the first point, civility is nearly dead in this culture. I need not provide any evidence to support that assertion; it is readily available in this forum, at the line at your local Starbucks, at the stoplight down town, etc.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 28 2013 10:31 AM

Doc B:
Scientific heresy is holding an interpretation of evidence that is different from the consensus held by a particular group. The particular group is hard to define, but consists mostly of those who control the primary journals in the various fields and those to whom they give access.

Once upon a time it was scientific heresy for a doctor to wash his hands between treating patients. The doctor probably greeted his patients with a handshake. Maybe incivility is a form of enhanced hygiene. 

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