NIVAC Old Testament Prophets Only

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James Thompson | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Dec 20 2009 10:51 PM

Any idea why only the old testament prophets are the only old testament resources available in this series? Any expectation that other old testament resources will become available in Logos format?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 20 2009 11:08 PM

Good question. I hadn't noticed that, and they're in the Zondervan Bible Reference Bundle that I've ordered in pre-pub.

I don't know the answer, but Logos does have to negotiate licensing with the publishers and sometimes publishers aren't ready to release their entire hardcover sets in digital format from the beginning for some reason or other. Also, it takes Logos time to tag all the books and they might trade off getting at least something out into the hands of users who have been waiting vs. getting the whole thing finished up front. Sometimes it's a cost thing; they need to start selling it, incomplete as it is, in order to make income to apply to finishing the work of preparing the rest of the series. The IVP Dictionary of the Old Testament is another example of this. It contains only two volumes of the print-based set (Pentateuch and Historical Books), but is missing the other volume (Wisdom, Poetry & Writings).

I certainly hope the remaining volumes come out in Logos format eventually. I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2009 1:05 PM

James Thompson:

Any idea why only the old testament prophets are the only old testament resources available in this series? Any expectation that other old testament resources will become available in Logos format?

This was the way Zondervan originally marketed them: First they offered the  whole NT set, later they offered the OLD Testament Prophets.

A few years ago, someone within Zondervan made a decision to only go with that OT grouping. I'm not even sure how you would find out why.

However, as a lot of the other Zondervan Pre-pub material has never been made available for computer use, perhaps this would be a good time to directly ask Zondervan. They are the ones making all of the decisions. Based on what has been revealed here on the forums, Logos is just doing the tagging, and has no say in what materials have been made available for digital use.  E-mail Zondervan. Who knows what might happen? I have not even looked:  are the other OT volumes in print? If they are, and if your email is the one that sways them, then you will have done a service for all of us who appreciate these materials.

Regards

Steve F

Regards, SteveF

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2009 6:25 PM

Stephen Filyer:

Zondervan...are the ones making all of the decisions. ....  E-mail Zondervan. Who knows what might happen? I have not even looked:  are the other OT volumes in print? If they are, and if your email is the one that sways them, then you will have done a service for all of us who appreciate these materials.

Most of the OT is available in hardcover - except Deuteronomy, Job, and the rest of Psalms (beyond Volume 1, not sure which psalms are covered in this)

So far, apart from the Prophetic books in pre-pub, only Joshua and 1 & 2 Samuel are available electronically - in Ebook and ePub formats.

It sounds like they haven't quite got their e-book strategy sorted out; they've got a mix of various digital formats (Adobe Reader, Palm, Microsoft Reader, Mobipocket, Sony Reader (BBeB), Ebook, ePub, and Logos via this Logos pre-pub). I guess they haven't yet realized that the Logos format is the only one worth doing -- who would READ a commentary from cover to cover in an e-Book reader? (Well, I read Waltke's Genesis commentary cover to cover because he's a friend of mine, but that's the only one I've ever done that with).

I think the more significant issue is that they aren't even finished publishing the whole series in print form. So I'm guessing it will be a couple of years at least before we see the rest of the OT in Logos format. :-(

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 22 2009 3:54 PM

Rosie Perera:
It sounds like they haven't quite got their e-book strategy sorted out;

 

There were some net pages posted to or linked to awhile back indicating an exceedingly "large' turnover in the ebook staffing/supervisory department etc - I don't know if it was bottom line related or philosophical differences or "whatever"...

Although groups sometimes must go through that kind of turmoil, it often results in a "mixed" message and (at the beginning) very "mixed" results for the consumers. Let's just hope they have all their "ducks-in-a-row" ie policies sorted out/power struggles  (if any) sorted out so that we can benefit from the logos/zondervan software...sooner rather than later.

Steve F

 

Regards, SteveF

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 22 2009 4:35 PM

Stephen Filyer:

Rosie Perera:
It sounds like they haven't quite got their e-book strategy sorted out;

There were some net pages posted to or linked to awhile back indicating an exceedingly "large' turnover in the ebook staffing/supervisory department etc - I don't know if it was bottom line related or philosophical differences or "whatever"...

Although groups sometimes must go through that kind of turmoil, it often results in a "mixed" message and (at the beginning) very "mixed" results for the consumers. Let's just hope they have all their "ducks-in-a-row" ie policies sorted out/power struggles  (if any) sorted out so that we can benefit from the logos/zondervan software...sooner rather than later.

 

There has also been an extremely large amount of turbulence in e-book technology in general, and nobody has come up with a clear universal standard yet, much as we'd love to believe Logos has it. Amazon.com has a lot of muscle with its huge catalogue of Kindle books. Various other companies also have really good brand recognition (e.g., Sony) so they aren't going to give up the fight easily. Remember it took a while for the VHS/Beta format difference wars to settle down before VHS came out as a clear winner and Betamax disappeared into the annals of history. In some cases the technology adapts so that all the readers can read all the different competing formats (that's what happened with DVD-R vs. DVD+R media and DVD players & burners; now Blu-ray has joined them but not taken over completely).

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