Uh-oh - no footnotes in iWork Pages?

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Jackie Watts | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2013 6:38 AM

When copying from Logos to Pages I get no footnote citations as before Mavericks and new Pages update. Anybody else seeing the same thing and found a work around? Thanks.

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 23 2013 3:20 PM

Personally, I have never used the citation-in-footnote feature, but the method I do use might be an acceptable workaround for some.

My workaround/method is this: when you paste from Logos as plain text, it adds the citation immediately after the quote. For example:

It is a beautiful thing to grow old gracefully, to manifest more of Jesus from day to day. Our blessed Head is the One from whom we draw all our supplies for spiritual upbuilding

H. A. Ironside, In the Heavenlies : Practical Expository Addresses on the Epistle to the Ephesians. (Neptune, NJ: Loizeaux Brothers, 1937), 204.

Now, to get it to paste as plain text, you need a third party app. Typically, a clipboard manager will do the trick. I use Launchbar, but others like Flycut (free in the Mac App Store) will also work. Just copy from Logos then paste as plain text from the third-party app.

After pasting, you then would have to select and copy the citation, then paste it into a document endnote (I don’t think Pages 5.0 has footnotes any longer).

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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 23 2013 3:55 PM

I am having the same problem, no footnotes in iWork Pages.Sad

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Guillermo Velazquez | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 23 2013 8:53 PM

I am also having the same problem!  No citation. 

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Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2013 6:59 PM

I don't use Pages (I use Word 2011), however, a Mavericks update to Pages, Keynote, and Numbers is free from the Mac App store.  Have you tried updating Pages to see if that resolves the problem?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2013 7:47 PM

Charles Scaglione:
Have you tried updating Pages to see if that resolves the problem?

The update IS the problem. Wink

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Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2013 8:53 PM

If the new Pages isn't working out, you can still use the old one—the update adds the new version, but doesn't replace the old. It can be found under the "iWork '09" folder under Applications.

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 24 2013 10:53 PM

alabama24:

The update IS the problem.

The Pages forums are full of posts about the problems or missing features in Pages 5.

The solution is to move back to Pages 09

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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 25 2013 3:37 AM

The Pages 5.0 debacle has caused me think about sermon manuscript storage. What would be the best format to use to store sermon manuscripts for long-term storage and retrieval? pdf, doc???

What are your thoughts?

Thanks

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 25 2013 6:12 AM

Steve Clevenger:
What would be the best format to use to store sermon manuscripts for long-term storage and retrieval? pdf, doc???

It depends upon what you want to do with those files in the future. PDF's are great for maintaining formatting and archival purposes... but will you want to edit the document later? A Word document (you should be using .docx, not .doc) will likely have a long future, and you'll be able to edit it. Pages isn't bad, and <I think> is getting better... but we will have to see what happens to the program in the near future. It is possible that these features will be added back in. 

As much as I don't really like MSFT Word, it is often the best solution... especially if you want to make personal books in Logos (which uses the .docx file format). By the way, a NEW feature of pages is the exportation of .docx. I haven't tried it yet for personal books, so I reserve judgment on its usefulness.

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FrJG | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 26 2013 1:48 PM

I am having the same problem with the footnotes copying into Pages 5.0, and it couldn't have come at a worse time...

But thankfully, by reverting back to Pages '09 I can finish my paper. Thanks for the suggestion, and I hope this issue will be addressed soon.

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Martin Diers | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 26 2013 4:47 PM

Nowadays, you can pick any number of formats, and be fairly safe. RTF is a tagged text based format that will always have wide support. Then there are ODT, and DOCX, both of which are XML-in-ZIP formats. With any of these, even in a worse-case scenario, you will still be able to unzip them and get at a tagged-text version of your document.

I use, and adore, Mellel. It's native format, .mellel, is livewise an XML-in-ZIP format. So even though it is a rather proprietary format, I never have to worry about locking the content of my documents away irretrievably.

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 27 2013 10:36 AM

alabama24:

Charles Scaglione:
Have you tried updating Pages to see if that resolves the problem?

The update IS the problem. Wink

Ahhhh... Pages 5 does (obviously) support footnotes. 

http://help.apple.com/pages/mac/5.0/#/tanbb3f4cb

I've checked myself, and the work fine.

It could just as easily be said that the problem is Logos 5 Indifferent however to be fair to the Logos guys they likely were not able to get their hands on the new version of Pages in advance. We trust they will speedily update Logos to work with the 'new order' that is Pages 5.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 27 2013 7:16 PM

My point wasn't to assign blame, but rather to point out the obvious: The OP was previously using the old version of pages and upgraded to the new version, which prevented the problem. In that sense, "the update IS the problem." Smile

I have been waiting for a significant update to pages for a while. I am very glad for .docx support. Hopefully, I will be able to slowly ween myself from word.

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Ross Strader | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 28 2013 8:21 AM

Martin, I am very interested in Mellel. I have owned it for a couple of years but have yet to make the switch. I have tinkered with it a few times. However, the learning curve has not seemed worth it until the new Pages downgrade. So, I am going to move over to Mellel.

I am not completely sure what "XML-in-ZIP format" means. But, I am interested to know. Does that in anyway mean that Mellel docs are able to be opened by another program (i.e. Word)? Or is it something more complex than that? 

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Martin Potter | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 28 2013 9:00 AM

Patrick S.:

Ahhhh... Pages 5 does (obviously) support footnotes. 

http://help.apple.com/pages/mac/5.0/#/tanbb3f4cb

I've checked myself, and the work fine.

Pages 5.0 does indeed support footnotes; however, the format they use to store/retrieve that information from the pasteboard when using copy/paste has changed. The old APXL format which was used by Pages 09 is no longer supported and the new (seemingly) internal format does not appear to have any documentation available. Until Apple provides documentation on this new format, we likely will not be able to support footnotes from Logos.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 28 2013 9:06 AM

Martin Potter:
Until Apple provides documentation on this new format, we likely will not be able to support footnotes from Logos.

Thanks for the clarification... hopefully Apple will release that soon. Have you tried contacting them about the issue? Do you need Tim's cell phone number? Surprise

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Erik DiVietro | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 28 2013 8:30 PM

Pages 5.0 supports footnotes, but I believe they changed the way the program handles them. This was a reasonable change to make the format work with both iWork in the Cloud and the iOS version. Logos will probably need to change the way footnotes are coded in the copy/paste function; but more than likely, it is a simple fix.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 6:37 AM

Erik DiVietro:
Logos will probably need to change the way footnotes are coded in the copy/paste function; but more than likely, it is a simple fix.

Erik, take a look two posts above your own for an analysis of the problem from Martin Potter, a Logos employee.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 31 2013 10:52 AM

Fr JG:

I am having the same problem with the footnotes copying into Pages 5.0, and it couldn't have come at a worse time...

But thankfully, by reverting back to Pages '09 I can finish my paper. Thanks for the suggestion, and I hope this issue will be addressed soon.

Just looking for some clarification (assurance) If I upgrade to Maverick my old pages is still installed and can be used as now?  

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