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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2013 1:11 PM

The App tries to do more than the iPad is capable of doing.  It often freezes and is almost unusable.  It needs to do less better.  The frequent indexing means that the app is almost never ready when you are.

Logos is a poor book reader app, and there is no reason that it should not be as dependable and usable as Kindle or Nook.  Logos can do better.  Make it a good ereader first, and then add anything that does not take away from that.

I have a 4th generation iPad, with plenty of room.

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 1:21 PM

Wow.. and I was hearing iPad app was pretty good.. sorry you are having bad experience.

What needs to be done better?

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 1:27 PM

I have an iPad 3. I have never noticed any indexing, nor freezing or crashing.

Searching is relatively slow. Links (like BHS to the Apparatus) don't usually work unless there's an internet connection, but that works as it has been programmed to do. I just don't like it that way :)

As a reader, I quite like it. As a full-functioned equivalent to Logos on my iMac, it's terrible. Question of expectations. 

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 1:32 PM

Yes, indexing but related to a recent download of new resource-my guess. No freezing, no crashing.  I have yet to find out how it works with ios7 and have purposely waited to update my iPad 3 given I want the Logos app to work as well as it does now.  What could be better--access to all lexicons via word study report and ability to search on a resource, e.g. dictionary, with ease.

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 1:43 PM

It runs rather slow on my wife's original iPad (everything runs slow on that) but on my 4th gen I've had no problems. I am pretty critical of how Logos has handled development on the Mac but I think they've done an outstanding job on the iOS app. I don't use the app all the time, but frequently enough and I always enjoy it, even when the redesigns have taken some getting used to.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 2:40 PM

I appreciate the responses.  I am interested in the results that others are getting with the App.

On my 4 gen iPad, almost every time I use it lately, I have to wait while it indexes, etc.  It frequently freezes and I have wait until it unfreezes, which makes reading awkward.  Regularly, previously downloaded books "cannot be found, would you like to download them again."   This behavior makes me think that the 2 GB of RAM in an iPad can no longer efficiently handle all the app tries to do.  Reading a book should not be a problem.

This was true before the last update, and it is true now.

So I wonder what I am doing wrong?

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 3:00 PM

I have a 3rd generation iPad with 32 GB of memory and am not noticing any problems. I have not had it freeze up, repeatedly index, nor have it unable to find downloaded books. I am using iOS 7.0.3.

Have you tried to reinstall the app? (I know it means re-downloading your books.)

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 3:41 PM

Michael Childs:
Regularly, previously downloaded books "cannot be found, would you like to download them again."

I had this happen as well but it seems to have cleared up.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 3:53 PM

The indexes that the mobile have are far different than computer ones... (at least if I understand them correctly). The index is the books in your library, each time it sees new books added it has to update the book list. I have never had any issues on my iPad 3.... and I know the 4 is much faster, with the point of causing you a world of pain... I am wondering if a clean install might help... (If someone advised me that I might say i will put it with it as I hated having to redownload everything when I switched from Logos app to Verbum app.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 1 2013 7:32 AM
Mark Smith:

I have a 3rd generation iPad with 32 GB of memory and am not noticing any problems. I have not had it freeze up, repeatedly index, nor have it unable to find downloaded books. I am using iOS 7.0.3.

Have you tried to reinstall the app? (I know it means re-downloading your books.)

Mark, I did recently reinstall the app (about 3 weeks ago). But I think I will do it again.

Have you folks never been reading a book in the Logos app, and go to turn the page and it is frozen? About 30 to 60 seconds later, it unfreezes. This happens to me fairly often. This is one of the reasons that I complain that the Logos app is inferior to Kindle, iBooks, etc. It never happens to me in those apps.

Thinking about what Dan said about iPad indexing. I do keep a lot of Logos books on my iPad. I download over 2,000 of my 5,498 books. Does that explain the indexing? I obviously could remove many of these and not miss them. Or is the app going to index the same full list of books regardless of whether or not they are downloaded?

Again, thanks for everyone's suggestions.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 1 2013 8:03 AM

Michael Childs:
Have you folks never been reading a book in the Logos app, and go to turn the page and it is frozen? About 30 to 60 seconds later, it unfreezes. This happens to me fairly often. This is one of the reasons that I complain that the Logos app is inferior to Kindle, iBooks, etc. It never happens to me in those apps.

That's happened to me too, but I've had the same thing happen in other apps, including Kindle and the iOS home screen.  But I don't see it often.  I figured it was iOS doing memory maintenance (garbage collection).

Michael Childs:
Thinking about what Dan said about iPad indexing. I do keep a lot of Logos books on my iPad. I download over 2,000 of my 5,498 books. Does that explain the indexing? I obviously could remove many of these and not miss them. Or is the app going to index the same full list of books regardless of whether or not they are downloaded?

I think the app checks your downloaded resources for version updates regularly, so that may explain why someone with few downloaded resources would see better performance.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 1 2013 8:20 AM

Michael Childs:

I do keep a lot of Logos books on my iPad. I download over 2,000 of my 5,498 books. 

I really don't recommend that for most users. I have about 200 resources downloaded. If you live out in the boonies and only get internet once a week, I might advise differently... But for most of us that isn't the case. 

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Pastor James | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 1 2013 12:29 PM

Wrong Direction. The IPad app needs to move forward to being a fully functioning laptop/desktop replacement. If it wasn't for LOGOS, I would have no need for a computer.

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 1 2013 12:46 PM

Michael Childs:
Have you folks never been reading a book in the Logos app, and go to turn the page and it is frozen? About 30 to 60 seconds later, it unfreezes. This happens to me fairly often. This is one of the reasons that I complain that the Logos app is inferior to Kindle, iBooks, etc. It never happens to me in those apps.

i have seen this happen in my Android. i found that it was due to me having massive amounts of highlighting done on the desktop version of that Bible and this slowed down what i was viewing in Android. To eliminate this massive delay on page turning, i unchecked the Notes (so that 'Do not show notes') for that Bible in my Android and that resolved the delay. Now page turning is fast again.

p.s. i have done extensive highlighting of my preferred Bible: red letter version of OT, Names of God highlighting, etc.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 1 2013 1:12 PM

Pastor James:
Wrong Direction. The IPad app needs to move forward to being a fully functioning laptop/desktop replacement. If it wasn't for LOGOS, I would have no need for a computer.

The iPad isn't supposed to be a replacement for a computer. It is "another" device. In time, the abilities of the iPad (speaking generally, not about Logos) will catch up, but even then it is a small screen, with no keyboard. 

I don't recommend anyone install L5 on a device without at least 128 GB of SSD space. They make iPad's with that much, but why not get a MacBook instead? I know it is personal preference, but I don't understand. I LOVE my iPad for all it does. I LOVE reading on it. If I was in a teaching environment, I would love to use it for teaching. But it would never replace a computer for me. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 1 2013 1:14 PM

steve clark:
i found that it was due to me having massive amounts of highlighting done on the desktop version of that Bible and this slowed down what i was viewing in Android.

Yes. Absolutely. I forgot to mention that to Michael. Large note files cause troubles. 

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Andrew Malone | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 3 2013 1:31 AM

alabama24:

The iPad isn't supposed to be a replacement for a computer... But it would never replace a computer for me. 

I'll second Alabama’s sentiment. I use my iPad regularly, primarily as a portable reading device (and, yes, it can work OK in teaching environments, too). But it's not a desktop, so I'm resigned to using each device for its intended purpose.

I suspect that's easy to say for those of us who are happy to use two devices – or lucky enough to have two devices. I empathise with those who favour only a single device. My own experience is that tablets aren't quite there yet.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 8 2013 12:37 PM

As more tablets are coming out with the hardware to run Logos 5 very well - quad 4 processor, 8 GB RAM, SSD Hard Drives - I think the days of my iPad are numbered. They are not cheap - more than an iPad, but they do more than an iPad - but they are not much more expensive than an equally equipped laptop. And competition will bring the price down.

Personally, I expect by the first of the year to replace my iPad with either a tablet with 8 GB RAM and a quad processor, or a convertible laptop that can serve as a tablet.

The iPad is not designed to give the full Logos experience, but there are now more and more tablets that are. As the number grows I think it is inevitable that Logos 5 will be tweaked to be more touch friendly. The current Logos 5 platform makes a good convertible laptop, which can go from a solid keyboard with touchpad to a decent laptop in a few seconds, look very inviting.

I predict that Apple will have a tablet that can run its full operating system before long. iPad pro?

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 9 2013 3:37 PM

I've ocassianlly have it freeze up, most frustrating when turning a page as it interuppts reading.  I wouldn't want to see the app scaled back.  Vyrso app is the scaled back option and it occasionally freezes also. want to see functionality of app increase over time. I often wonder if it is related to free space as I too often get a message from iOS saying storage is almost full, particularly on my 16GB iPad - will definitely be getting larger storage capacity when I next upgrade it.  It is annoying but when I think what is on offer today compared to when I used to use QV 3 & 4, the occasional freeze is worth the inconvenience for my needs. Totally understand your frustration Michal and share your desire for better performance thought but wonder if part of the solution lies with having increase free storage space.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 9 2013 4:04 PM

Disciple of Christ:

will definitely be getting larger storage capacity when I next upgrade it.

I concur. My original iPad (a gift) was the 64 GB, which was way more than I really needed.  I traded it in to get my 3rd gen... But got a 16 GB model. I now think a 32 GB is a necessity. I hope the next gen comes with 32 standard. 

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