Are Personal Books now backed up and Synced?

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Dec 2 2013 2:30 PM

I know this used to be an issue when the feature first rolled out, but now am wondering, are Personal Books backed up and Synced with other installations?

Your help is appreciated.

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N/A | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 2 2013 2:35 PM

Not that I've heard of.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 2 2013 2:52 PM

The metadata associated with the books are synced between Logos installations but the books themselves are not.

there is currently no support for personal books on mobile platforms

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 2 2013 2:55 PM

Okay, thanks for the information. 

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 2 2013 8:47 PM

NÖ:

Not that I've heard of.



If indeed you are Unix friend and not unix himself, then I should think your frame of reference not large enough to understand the dynamics of the personal book situation. Its been quite some time since complaints have arisen regarding their lack of follow through on this promise, and so I am forced to draw the conclusion based upon not only this but also the other text critical evaluations that have been made regarding your english skills - that you are indeed unix masquerading as someone else.

Why would you do that Unix? Why not just be honest and forthright?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 4:35 AM

abondservant:

Its been quite some time since complaints have arisen regarding their lack of follow through on this promise, 

Really? Logos has broken no promises. No timetables have ever been given, so promises can not have been broken. Bradley said his team is working on it. Are you calling him a liar? Furthermore, this endeavor will be very expensive for the company. I eagerly look forward to this projects completion... But no promises have been broken. 

I don't know why you have chosen a personal attack on another forum member, but ask that you delete or modify your last post. 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 6:31 AM

Joe Miller:
I know this used to be an issue when the feature first rolled out, but now am wondering, are Personal Books backed up and Synced with other installations?

Given that the "Dev lead of Faithlife.com, Biblia.com, and Mobile Services at Logos Bible Software" made a Personal book file request last week, my guess would be that it's getting closer.Smile

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 7:17 AM

alabama24:

abondservant:

Its been quite some time since complaints have arisen regarding their lack of follow through on this promise, 

Really? Logos has broken no promises. No timetables have ever been given, so promises can not have been broken. Bradley said his team is working on it. Are you calling him a liar? Furthermore, this endeavor will be very expensive for the company. I eagerly look forward to this projects completion... But no promises have been broken. 

I don't know why you have chosen a personal attack on another forum member, but ask that you delete or modify your last post. 

You are right no date was given for Personal Books on mobile devices.  There were dates given early on for the Personal Book feature itself, and none of them were met, not even close to being met.  So Logos wisely stopped giving expected dates for features.

I am glad they are working on it, and believe them.  But it clearly has not been a priority with Logos to get this done.  And a promise this long delayed may not be a promise broken, but it is a first cousin to it.  It is disappointing at the least.

I am a very pro-Logos person.  I love Logos.  But on this issue, I am not inclined to cut them much slack.  Most disappointing.  

In fact, I have given up on Personal Books on mobile devices.  Instead, I bought a Windows 8 tablet to be my mobile device, and my nonmobile device, too.  So I now have personal books everywhere.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 7:35 AM

Michael Childs:
In fact, I have given up on Personal Books on mobile devices.  Instead, I bought a Windows 8 tablet to be my mobile device, and my nonmobile device, too.  So I now have personal books everywhere.

In my mind personal books have a sign over them saying "warning". What I mean by this is that, since Logos does not back them up, I am very careful when I create them to also make backups both locally and in another location. If there is ever a problem with my computer I want to be confident that I can easily restore all the work I have done. Reading the horror stories of people on the forums who have not backed up there books consistently and had a computer issue causing them to lose their work is a motivation for me to continue to be careful until Logos provides a better alternative. I hope it is in the not-too-distant future.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 7:42 AM

Michael Childs:
it clearly has not been a priority with Logos to get this done

I suspect it's more a case of them realizing too late that they had to do a number of other things before they could finish this, and those other things then taking longer than expected. E g, although I don't understand the technical reasons for it, it seems they had to recode the entire syncing process, and that's taken them an awful long time. Well over a year, I believe.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 7:44 AM

Michael Childs:
And a promise this long delayed may not be a promise broken, but it is a first cousin to it.  It is disappointing at the least.

Michael - You are my friend and I respect your opinion greatly, but you are wrong on this one. Disappointing? Yes. "First cousin" to a broken promise? Nope. 

I keep repeating over and over that this isn't a cheap or easy thing to do. They have said that they are working on it and I believe them. They have not said it is at the top of their priority list. And why would it be? This feature works against their profitability margins! In multiple ways! 

I am eager for this feature, especially to be able to have access to resources unavailable in Logos... I hope it comes soon, but I'll try and learn patience in the meantime. Which I really need to work on too. (Especially when I bought something on sale yesterday, to find out my wife was thinking about getting it for me for Christmas).  Big Smile

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 8:00 AM

alabama24:
I hope it comes soon, but I'll try and learn patience in the meantime.

Most of us need more patience. I know I do.

alabama24:
Which I really need to work on too. (Especially when I bought something on sale yesterday, to find out my wife was thinking about getting it for me for Christmas).  Big Smile

I have experienced the same thing in the past. Embarrassed

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 8:36 AM

alabama24:

Michael Childs:
And a promise this long delayed may not be a promise broken, but it is a first cousin to it.  It is disappointing at the least.

Michael - You are my friend and I respect your opinion greatly, but you are wrong on this one. Disappointing? Yes. "First cousin" to a broken promise? Nope. 

I keep repeating over and over that this isn't a cheap or easy thing to do. They have said that they are working on it and I believe them. They have not said it is at the top of their priority list. And why would it be? This feature works against their profitability margins! In multiple ways! 

I am eager for this feature, especially to be able to have access to resources unavailable in Logos... I hope it comes soon, but I'll try and learn patience in the meantime. Which I really need to work on too. (Especially when I bought something on sale yesterday, to find out my wife was thinking about getting it for me for Christmas).  Big Smile

Well, I respect you opinion enough to withdraw my comment about "first cousin to a broken promise".   You are right.  That is too strong, and I stand corrected.  (Of course, you know well that down here in the deep South we count kinfolks to 10th cousins twice removed!  Wink )

Obviously, things that are most profitable have to take higher priority for any company, and personal books are hardly a money maker for Logos.  Still, I am disappointed that it has not been a higher priority.

I am as passionately for Logos as anyone, and I do not wish to become known as negative about Logos.  I am not.  It is a great product and great company.  I appreciate the difference Logos has made in my study of God's Word, and especially the library Logos has made available to me.  I constantly urge people to buy and use Logos, and many of my church members have done so over the last 20 years or so.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 9:09 AM

alabama24:

abondservant:

Its been quite some time since complaints have arisen regarding their lack of follow through on this promise, 

Really? Logos has broken no promises. No timetables have ever been given, so promises can not have been broken. Bradley said his team is working on it. Are you calling him a liar? Furthermore, this endeavor will be very expensive for the company. I eagerly look forward to this projects completion... But no promises have been broken. 

I don't know why you have chosen a personal attack on another forum member, but ask that you delete or modify your last post.



You may need to re-read my last post brother. First of all NO WHERE is the term broken used. I said lack of follow through and in my frame of reference there has been none. Certainly no word has reached my ears. Also I like that you categorical deny that promises have been made. Were you on the phone with me when Logos sold me L4? Were you there when my salesman told me that as long as I bought L4 scholars or better I would have the PBB sync capabilities; just as soon as they released the update that was now finished? Just checking. Because I was pretty certain it was only the salesman and I on the line at the time. So perhaps you meant to say that in no public place has logos given a timeline. That would be technically accurate. But you can't say that no one who represents logos has ever given any indication of a timeline because unless and until you become omniscient you can't know that.

Secondarily there was nothing personal, nor was there any "attack" intended. I am agreeing with other posts that have been made on other threads in the same vein.  Consider this thread. Perhaps you are a tertiary "unix" account ;).

Could you kindly direct me to the "Bradley said" thread?

Seems we have pushed a hot button for you, and for that (and that alone) I am sorry.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 9:33 AM

Thanks for the tip to that request.

Merry Christmas.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 10:27 AM

abondservant:

Secondarily there was nothing personal, nor was there any "attack" intended. I am agreeing with other posts that have been made on other threads in the same vein.  Consider this thread. Perhaps you are a tertiary "unix" account ;).


Seems we have pushed a hot button for you, and for that (and that alone) I am sorry.

While your point that we do not know what was privately said to you is valid, the tone of the message was a bit strong.  Even with your wink in there, this came across a bit bellicose.  Perhaps you can use some of your own advice and use a bit more honey and less vinegar?

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 10:54 AM

I must admit I was feeling rather bellicose when I read alabama's post.

Also I redacted the vinegar line shortly after posting, indeed even before you replied as you will see in your quote.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 11:10 AM

abondservant:
Perhaps you are a tertiary "unix" account

You are on to me.

abondservant:
I am agreeing with other posts that have been made on other threads in the same vein.  Consider this thread.

Thanks for the link. You might be right. If there is a problem, report it to Logos and let them deal with it.

abondservant:
Could you kindly direct me to the "Bradley said" thread?

I'll see if I can find it.

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alabama24:

abondservant:
Could you kindly direct me to the "Bradley said" thread?

I'll see if I can find it.

It was actually David Mitchell: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/66838/466886.aspx#466886 

I would never give out that much information about our internal development workflow. Wink

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 2:59 PM

Thanks for the update, and I do remember that thread now :)

Thank you Bradley!

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