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Unix | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 3 2013 2:15 PM

Here's what I got around the time of the sales. Last year I upgraded around the same time, a little earlier (November 20. 2012). I got dynamic pricing + 15% off on the base-package with a coupon code and dynamic pricing on the topical bundle. (Logos links found at: Items for Black Friday wishlist, +Bibles Logos should add):

I have Paideia Romans and The Making of Paul since before as printed matter.
The topical bundle cost much less than the price I saw first, and the base-package ¢64 less.
I told sales a $20 off coupon-code and he clearly got it but he didn't see the discount being applied and said that "purhaps it can be seen towards the end of the order": it was the birthday gift card, but apparently it didn't apply it to the order. Not very difficult to use it up afterwards, because I purchased Joseph: Understanding God’s Purpose on Nov. 12., and it's now on December sale, so I'll just return it by email and buy it again. Now I'll just have to figure out on what to spend the remaining $4.05.

To start using some of the books quickly, I'll try L3 - there it is possible to choose which ones to download.
Then I'll wait for the DVD, it will take about 10 days to arrive. The shipping was much more than I expected, this time it was through USPS so there was no possibility to negotiate a price on that.

I asked the direct sales representative how new the newer books in the base-package are (Modern Theology), and he said they are around the late '90s through early '00s. What do You think about that, are they old?

I have bought software/Logos books for about $428 since November 12. 2013 (plus postage for the DVD). I will probably not afford to keep everything, I just don't know what to return. THIS TIME I luckily enough have time to read and decide, last Thursday Nov. 28. I passed school for this semester and got a good grade.


Regarding the remaining $4.05, which one of these do You think is the best purchase?:
How Long, O Lord? Reflections on Suffering and Evil by D. A. Carson $4.99
New American Bible, rev. ed. (NABRE) $ 16.95 (I have it as printed matter, large font.)
They both would work in L3. I'll be taking 2 Old Testament classes in the Roman Catholic uni, the other one of the two at a late stage. But I've talked to a monk (who is studying to become a priest) who leads the student group (btw he thought the old Verbum Foundations was really bad) and he said that the Catechism is too conservative, so I'm never going to buy that one. I'm not in RCIA anymore since January - studies collided with it in the schedule. I don't know whether I'm much more distanced from Roman Catholicism now, BUT I've noticed myself drawn towards Anabaptism, Reformed (not Reform Baptism though) and "Gnosticism".

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 2:27 PM

I'm not sure I am understanding why you are posting this Unix. Are you asking for advice as to what to return?

Also, we have talked about this before but I'm not comfortable with the strategy of ordering something, reading it and then returning it because I can't afford it. To me that sounds more like a library than a store. On the other hand I guess you can actually go to a physical store and read a book while there.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 2:59 PM

I edited my OP. What about the topic in the book by Carson? Today someone at college said that discussing why God allows evil is such a stupid question.

I thought that perhaps some others bought or are buying some of the same items so I wanted to give my recommendation out of the Black Friday wishlist. Now, I haven't specified which books from the wishlist I have since before, perhaps I should do that in order to recommend them but that might be something for another new thread?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 3:35 PM

Unix:
What do You think about that, are they old?

My primary theological books are close to 2000 years old or older so I wouldn't worry about the ageWink

Unix:
because I purchased Joseph: Understanding God’s Purpose on Nov. 12., and it's now on December sale, so I'll just return it by email and buy it again.

Wouldn't be easier to contact sales and see if they can give you the discount? Otherwise you are running up Logos overhead costs for all of us.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 3 2013 3:41 PM

I did ask them for a discount in the first place, on November 12., but they were unable to give any discount on that particular item. I did however get a discount off of the regular prices on: The Messianic Jewish Epistles: Ariel’s Bible Commentary and The Reading and Preaching of the Scriptures in the Worship of the Christian Church, Volume 1: The Biblical Period, the latter which I'm about to return unless it really surprises me:

MJ. Smith:
Wouldn't be easier to contact sales and see if they can give you the discount?:
Unix:
because I purchased Joseph: Understanding God’s Purpose on Nov. 12., and it's now on December sale, so I'll just return it by email and buy it again.

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N/A | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 5 2013 2:01 AM

bump! Anyone with an opinion on the topic of the Carson title?

Sounds interesting! Would be nice if You would:

Unix:
I wanted to give my recommendation out of the Black Friday wishlist. Now, I haven't specified which books from the wishlist I have since before, perhaps I should do that in order to recommend them but that might be something for another new thread?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 5 2013 2:34 AM

NÖ:
bump! Anyone with an opinion on the topic of the Carson title?

I read it earlier this year and found it a very helpful resource looking into this difficult question.

He talks about the importance of looking at it from a proper Christian perspective and outlines a biblical understanding of some of the real challenges which the problems of evil and suffering pose.

I'm not saying I agreed with all of it but I found it very helpful.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 7 2013 11:37 AM

Thanks, Graham! I have very little Store Credit left and am still wondering whether to buy and read the topic. Any more opinions on the topic itself?

Anyone, have a look at my two posts from 10:04 AM and 11:11 AM today December 7. Bellingham time!:
HUGEEE price increased in Master Bundles, becareful! ... I realized then, when looking at my receipt, that someone really cut me a deal or something - I'm not sure what exactly it was that happened! The Topical Bundle I got was the old one, I would not have wanted version 2 nor could I have waited since the coupon-code deal on base-packages was running out.
EDIT: Mark Barnes replied there. Other than that it was not exactly 75%, the dynamic pricing deal was pretty good as I didn't expect much difference having The Imitation of Christ by Thomas à Kempis (most people have it anyway).

Regarding what to return, I've been thinking hard on that one, and concluded that:
The Reading and Preaching of the Scriptures in the Worship of the Christian Church, Volume 1: The Biblical Period
and either Paideia Commentaries on the New Testament or The Making of Paul: Constructions of the Apostle
... go out from the "door"!
Help me decide which one?
I will most probably buy the one of those two again in Logos later on, when I afford to. Like I said I have both as printed matter.

If no-one can advise me on this I may have to return both Romans and Making of Paul because I'm thinking of not bothering Sales by phone this time when I want something when the money has been returned and could place an order online. Returning both I would "have" money for the item at regular price. I really should be more carefull.

Regarding the rest of my order in my OP (except the DVD which is non-refundable), I'll see whether I can properly evaluate them. I've started reading the Introduction, Analysis and Reference -volume.

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N/A | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 7 2013 4:00 PM

Please advise Unix! He's edited the above post and added one more question. I know he is really out of money now.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 7 2013 5:18 PM

NÖ:
Please advise Unix!

Sorry but many of us feel that we don't know Unix well enough to make informed recommendations.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 7 2013 5:21 PM

NÖ:

Please advise Unix! He's edited the above post and added one more question. I know he is really out of money now.

I'm sorry he's out of money since I've been there too, but the solution is to stop buying until you can afford something.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 7 2013 6:27 PM

Did I misunderstand or did you already receive your Dec Birthday credit?

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Super.Tramp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 7 2013 10:59 PM

Unix:
If no-one can advise me on this I may have to return both Romans and Making of Paul because I'm thinking of not bothering Sales

Unix,    I mean this in Christian love and hope you do not take offence by it.

I will advise you to think seriously BEFORE you buy something in 2014. Imagine that all products are non-refundable. This will save Sales a lot of trouble and relieve you of the disappointment of losing products.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 8 2013 4:47 AM

Super.Tramp:

Unix:
If no-one can advise me on this I may have to return both Romans and Making of Paul because I'm thinking of not bothering Sales

Unix,    I mean this in Christian love and hope you do not take offence by it.

I will advise you to think seriously BEFORE you buy something in 2014. Imagine that all products are non-refundable. This will save Sales a lot of trouble and relieve you of the disappointment of losing products.

I agree. This is wise advice.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 8 2013 11:35 AM

Typos edited.

abondservant, I didn't know if it would matter, so I didn't tell that I'm trying to refund as much as possible plus use the December Birthday coupon-code, and the Store Credit, to buy BDAG. The reason is that my NT Gk studies at uni will start earlier than I previously thought - the seminary has quite recently lowered the entry requirement for taking the NT Gk class as a separate class.

Out of the pre-pubs I have the one which I think might be the first one to ship in 2014 is $12, and it would be nice if there's Store Credit left for that or any other of the pre-pubs that might ship soon (none have an estimate yet), so that I wouldn't have to order a new debit card in January and hopefully not in February either. I have no debit card at the moment:

abondservant:
Did I misunderstand or did you already receive your Dec Birthday credit?


Another item that I (pre-)ordered during the time of the sales, was: Eerdmans Biblical Interpretation Collection (13 vols.) ... for $187 on Nov. 19. This Fall I've placed pre-pub orders only once a month.


What I'm trying to do to save money, is to cancel a few orders that have (originally) been placed in Community Pricing. At least one (Gk tuition) was placed with two accounts just to help others to get the resource earlier. One of the orders is VERY expensive for just one interesting book in the whole Collection. There are other CP orders that I'm unlikely to cancel because they are really cheap per volume, but at least two of those are unlikely to ever make it into production because others are bidding too low: Encyclopedia Britannica (32 vols.) English Bible Collection (27 vols.). Those who have not considered them, please bid high on them to help out!


I'm sorry about that, MJ.: that many don't know me well enough despite that I've tried to post a lot. Perhaps I've just asked questions too often. I will be posting much less from now on. I'm not sure if there would be many that would like to read a post where I would basically list what Logos licenses (also individual titles and sets) I have? It feels difficult to summarize - but the least I could do would of course be to categorize them.

A little bit about me generally:
I believe in non-resistance, forgiveness, The Trinity, Bodily Resurrection, the virgin birth. Regarding Mary and prayer I've posted my beliefs in: http://www.christianforums.com/t7790981-post64617794/#poststop ... note that little effort on my behalf was needed to come up with a belief.
Regarding other ancient primary texts than the Bible and Fathers, see the summary in: Re: Recommend a text by waywardwanderer on Nov 16. 2013.
Many times I avoid Historical Criticism, especially in commentaries (rather: when I buy additional commentaries). A book I read by Walter Wink convinced me - it's a rather brief book so anyone can have time to read it.
But I do try to make use of most other areas of Biblical Criticism, such as Socio-Historical (I don't research it by myself but most commentaries I read should be based on it, I don't buy dedicated commentaries on it), Performance Criticism, and You name it - there are too many to list! However, I find Rhetorical Criticism hard to follow.

Regarding Ethics, which is not completely about Christianity, I follow a somewhat strict one. I'm not too concerned what others think of me, except when it comes to something which I specialize in when I'm among others who are interested or try to make someone interested.

I'm mentally stable and feel well thanks to modern medication that has been around for 3½ years (it first came out in the U.S., I got it pretty soon after it came here), I take the major part of it in the mornings, one of the two I need every day only needs to be taken in the morning. I don't have any intravenously injected medication. The county pays fully for the two expensive medicines, one of which is really expensive, because the doctor knows how poor I am.

I have a proprietary firm but I mainly wait for good customers. The warm garage for it is cheap but barely sufficient square foot. I have decent access to studies, a job to go to but I don't want to work a lot. But I do have long distances to travel either by bus + metro/underground or commuter train, or bicycle. You can read more about that on my profile and in: My top-speed will be 20½ MPH... when I eventually buy it, I will use the car to go to Church, there is for example a Roman-Catholic one in a neighbouring suburb. But there's few Churches to choose from even if going to the City (which is 12 miles, a mile more if bicycling to the nearest train first).

Regarding square foot: 655.5 sq ft + a balcony with glass. I think I haven't had visitors during 2013, I focus on God/Jesus Christ, not relationships. Renting directly from the somewhat big municipality landlord. I queued a long time to get it plus we were two adults at the time although the other signature was not needed on the contract. I can't change it if I want to keep living in this City area, I would not get a new contract anywhere near because of low income. My other invoices are low, a total of ~$80 a month including voluntary accident insurance but not home- or vehicle insurance (I use neither of my two two-wheeled motor ones):

MJ. Smith:
Sorry but many of us feel that we don't know Unix well enough to make informed recommendations.


But here it is below, the list (rounded off prices) of some of what I have in Logos. The ones marked in bold typeface are what I had since before from my Black Friday 2013 Wishlist posted at Items for Black Friday wishlist, +Bibles Logos should add (like I specified above I also had Joseph: Understanding God’s Purpose):
My base-package upgrade path is recently post in: HUGEEE price increased in Master Bundles, becareful!.

English Bibles (I use very few from the base-packages and for limited parts of the Bible): The Revised English Bible $25 - this is my primary Bible, NJB $9 but what I actually want is: Jerusalem Bible or 1975 Bible In Order which is not (yet?) available in Logos ... post in that thread to say that You want it! The Ignatius Bible: Revised Standard Version 2nd Catholic Edition $10. Added Good News Translation for reg. price before it was included in any base-packages, but got a refund for the Bible after the upgrade. I really would want the newer Edition, go to: Re: 1992 GNT-CE 2nd ed. preferably with Anglicized text and 1971 GNB 3rd ed. NT ... and post so that Logos sees that there are others too who want it! I was offered NJPS Tanakh for $5 but didn't take it and really don't regret that. Could mention another thing about English Bibles: If Logos is going to include the NIV11 in any future base-packages I'm not going to buy those.
Other English Bible related: The Making of the New Revised Standard $5.

Gk Bibles: I have nothing beyond OLL (and Bronze but I don't use what was added) except Codex Bezae Cantabrigiensis $0 and Reverse Interlinear of RSV New Testament $50.

Other Gk resources: Greek Apocryphal Gospels, Fragments, and Agrapha $40, Greek Audio New Testament $45, A Grammatical Analysis of the Greek New Testament $31, Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.) $141. Thinking of buying Göttingen Septuagint (67 vols.) used, am in touch with someone in Helsinki about that. The price is high though, $290.

Lexicons, dictionaries, encyclopaedias added: Liddell and Scott Greek–English Lexicon (LSJ), unabridged $28, List of Septuagint Words Sharing Common Elements $18, Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament $110, The Encyclopedia of Christianity, vols. 1-5 (resource divided as vols. 1-3, 4, 5) gift so my cost was $20, Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of the Bible (I bought it used, I'm unable to check how much exactly I paid for it as I don't have Excel on this computer and the one computer I have with it is perhaps down, I did buy other things too in the same transfer).

Other language resources: Read Greek in 30 Days or Less $15, Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew DVD $203 incl. shipping, Learn to Read New Testament Greek by Black $30, From Alpha to Omega Classical Greek Collection (2 vols.) $40.

Commentaries, etc.:

Monographs on Biblical books: A New Introduction to the Synoptic Gospels $25, Sheffield New Testament Guides: John $36.

Philosophy, Fathers, Doctors: The Works of Aristotle (12 vols.) $40, Worship in the Early Church: An Anthology of Historical Sources (4 vols.) $100 vote for this Uservoice please: Mouse over Church Father reference - pop-ups from Worship Early Church: Anthology Historical Sources!, The Fathers of the Desert (2 vols.) $5, Clement of Alexandria (2 vols.) $6, Boethius’ Theological Tractates and Consolation of Philosophy (2 vols.) $5, John Huss Collection (7 vols.) $15, Post-Reformation Catholic Thought and Piety (27 vols.) $70.

Theology, History: Israel’s God and Rebecca’s Children: Christology and Community in Early Judaism and Christianity $50, Towards a Theology of the Concord of God: A Japanese Perspective on the Trinity $37, Resurrection by Michael Hayes David Tombs Stanley E. Porter $35, Christian Origins and the Question of God Series (3 vols.) (I bought it used, I'm unable to check how much exactly I paid for it as I don't have Excel on this computer and the one computer I have with it is perhaps down, but it was 75% off of the pre-pub price and I bought other things too in the same transfer), A Contemporary Anabaptist Theology $28, The Christian & Social Responsibility $8, Dr. Ryrie's Articles $0, Mary: Devoted to God's Plan $0.

Theology, Ethics: John Howard Yoder Collection (12 vols.) $130, Discipleship by G. Campbell Morgan $0.

Criticism: The Bible in Human Transformation: Toward a New Paradigm in Bible Study by Walter Wink $7, Princeton Symposium on the Dead Sea Scrolls $100, Semeia 65: Orality and Textuality in Early Christian Literature $23 used the 500,000 forum posts celebration coupon code $20 off, C. S. Lewis: Clarity and Confusion; A Balanced Introduction to His Writings $7.

Inter-religious dialogue: Speaking of Jesus by Carl Medearis $10 Vyrso, Engaging the Closed Minded $6.

Authors: All Things Considered by Chesterton $21.

Liturgy: The Liturgy and the Word of God $4.

Devotionals: Surprised by Hope by Wright $12, Daily Treasures from the Word of God $0.

Open pre-pubs (the only pre-pub order after Nov. 15. is not listed here, it's in the beginning of this post):

May 11 Under Contract Why Study History? Reflecting on the Importance of the Past $12
Jun 7 Under Contract Classic Studies on the Apostolic Fathers (29 vols.)

$30

Jul 16 Under Contract Modern Theological German: A Reader and Dictionary

$24

Jul 17 Under Contract Hermeneia: Luke 2: A Commentary on the Gospel of Luke 9:51–19:27

$45

Sep 3 Under Contract The Apocrypha: The Lutheran Edition with Notes

$30

Sep 10 Under Contract Dante: Inferno

$10

Nov 15 Under Contract Hymnology Collection (4 vols.)

$10

Nov 15 Under Contract The Church’s Bible (4 vols.)

$99.55

Mar 20 Gathering Interest New Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (5 vols.)

$140

May 22 Gathering Interest Baylor Ethics Collection (4 vols.)

$73

May 22 Gathering Interest The Old Testament Is Dying: A Diagnosis and Recommended Treatment

$13

Community pricing: Lexham Bible Guide: 1 Peter $16 - below current projected price, 300 Illustrations for Preachers $5 - below current projected price.

Wish list: Preaching John by Robert Kysar (because another title by Kysar is being used in a uni class which (I'm) probably/might applying/apply to later on), Belief: A Theological Commentary on the Bible (7 vols.) but I would like to know more about the set, so if anyone here knows something about it, please tell me!? ;-)

Should also mention that I have the UBS Translator's Handbook New Testament (bought used cheap: $115 incl. license transfer fee. Thanks to that II eventually took the software at an Accordance training seminar over here in another City), NETS, Comprehensive Bible and REB in Accordance.
Valuable books I have as printed matter include: The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Books of the Bible - it's from the end of 2011. I also have I II III John by Judith Lieu and Resurrection by Pheme Perkins 1984.

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Super.Tramp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 8 2013 12:44 PM

WoW.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 8 2013 1:20 PM

Hmm, I haven't received my birthday credit code... Perhaps I should email someone.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 8 2013 1:31 PM

Unix:

I edited my OP. What about the topic in the book by Carson? Today someone at college said that discussing why God allows evil is such a stupid question.

I thought that perhaps some others bought or are buying some of the same items so I wanted to give my recommendation out of the Black Friday wishlist. Now, I haven't specified which books from the wishlist I have since before, perhaps I should do that in order to recommend them but that might be something for another new thread?

Peace and Blessing and Joy to you, Unix!           I agree with Graham about some of the items in Carson's book!     I have it, was just looking at it again today and -- frankly!!! -- whoever at college shared with you that discussing why God allows evil is such a stupid question is clearly in error!

I wish you well and when you get time, you may want to read Carson's Preface to his First Edition ...   it sort of lines up what he's trying to achieve ..

Here it is!       *smile*

Preface to the First Edition

I had better say right away what this book is not about. It is not a quick answer to difficult questions about suffering. Nor is it (except implicitly) a defense of the existence of God. It is not even the sort of book I would give to many people who are suffering inconsolable grief. Still less is it an academic discussion of philosophical problems.

So what is it about? It is, first of all, a book written by a Christian to help other Christians think about suffering and evil. That means, for instance, that I am not primarily addressing unbelievers who think that the problem of evil and pain is so intractable that it calls into question the very existence of God. There are excellent books that treat the subject from that perspective, but this is not one of them. If you are an unbeliever, you are welcome to listen in. Indeed, you may find the "world" you are entering so compelling that you will want to become a Christian. But you are not the reader I have in mind as I write.

Primarily, this is a book of preventative medicine. One of the major causes of devastating grief and confusion among Christians is that our expectations are false. We do not give the subject of evil and suffering the thought it deserves until we ourselves are confronted with tragedy. If by that point our beliefs—not well thought out but deeply ingrained—are largely out of step with the God who has disclosed himself in the Bible and supremely in Jesus, then the pain from the personal tragedy may be multiplied many times over as we begin to question the very foundations of our faith.

Of course, not all doubts and fears arise from false expectations based on questionable beliefs. At the intellectual level, a Christian may be as orthodox as the apostle Paul, yet so lack the apostle’s spiritual maturity that when the first crisis hits all the orthodox "commitments" are again thrown into the melting pot. Nevertheless, it is hard to think of Christians agonizing over basic questions if their suffering has not, to say the least, been exacerbated by false expectations as to what God is like, what God does, what place suffering has in this world. For instance, pain may pose the question, "Why me?" That soon gives way to "Why are you punishing me?" or "Why are you picking on me?" And that is only a whisper from far bleaker thoughts, articulated or not: "Maybe you aren’t a God of love. Maybe you are capricious. Maybe you aren’t fair, let alone holy. Maybe you aren’t there." C. S. Lewis could describe his conversion by the memorable title Surprised by Joy; most of us Christians ruefully admit that there are times when our faith is surprised by grief.

This book, then, is designed to help. It does not offer a comprehensive guide to the problem of suffering; it develops only a few themes, somewhat arbitrarily chosen according to what has been of help to me and to some of those to whom I minister. Quite frankly, this little book, as I have already hinted, may not be of assistance to those whose despair is so bleak that they cannot bring themselves to read, think, and pray. But I shall be satisfied if it helps some Christians establish patterns and habits of thought that are so strong that when the hardest questions batter the soul there is less wavering and more faith, joy, and hope.

Because this is a book for general readers, I have largely avoided bibliographies and technical discussions. By and large, the books and articles I mention are those that I actually cite. Despite my best efforts, chapter 11 is a little difficult. If it is too daunting, skip it; but if you can absorb it, make the effort, for I am persuaded that the biblical truths outlined there have enormous potential for stabilizing the faith of God’s people.

Much of the material in these pages was first developed for talks in America, Australia, the United Kingdom, and Kenya. I am grateful to many people for the questions they put to me, questions that have helped me to be more careful than I would have been, and to try extra hard to produce a book that would heal and nurture, and not merely inform. That I have not always succeeded is embarrassingly clear to me; if I have succeeded at all it is because I owe much to the probing of others, especially those who have suffered far, far more than I and whose lives have set an example for the Lord’s glory and his people’s good.

Pain and suffering often generate a profound sense of loneliness. We think we are cut off from everyone, we feel that no one can possibly understand. The truth is that it often helps to talk things over with other Christians. For that reason I have included a set of questions at the end of each chapter. Ideally they should be used in a study group. Reflecting on such questions in splendid isolation will not be nearly as therapeutic.

Soli Deo gloria.

D. A. Carson
Trinity Evangelical Divinity School

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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