Logos Apps. What is the point?

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P A | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jan 7 2014 12:15 PM
What is the point of Logos specialist apps like Noet? As soon as you log on with your logos password all logos books you own show up library. So the Noet books are lost in a multitude of other books. So this gives me no real advantage. It would be great if we could have in the settings for Noet filters for: LATIN ANCIENT GREEEK PHILOSOPHY CLASSIC LITERATURE ETC. P A
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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 12:22 PM

you can you use the following in the library filter box to trim the forest
lang:la for latin
lang:he for hebrew
lang:el for greek
 

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 12:28 PM

P A:
What is the point of Logos specialist apps like Noet? As soon as you log on with your logos password all logos books you own show up library. So the Noet books are lost in a multitude of other books. So this gives me no real advantage. It would be great if we could have in the settings for Noet filters for: LATIN ANCIENT GREEEK PHILOSOPHY CLASSIC LITERATURE ETC. P A
Noet is being marketed for a different customer base.  There isn't an advantage of using one app or the other.

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P A | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 12:34 PM
I don't really want to use that every time I use the app. Noet app should for Noet resources or at the user should be given the option. ( Default settings). All Logos apps need better filters. P A
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David Medina | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 12:34 PM

Same thing with Vyrso and FSB, different audience with some different features. Logos app is the complete one and the other are slightly modified for different audiences and purposes.  

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 12:40 PM

Noet is not meant for people who also have Logos. It is meant for people who don't want the biblical stuff in their face. There's no point in Logos users getting Noet.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 12:48 PM

DominicM:
you can you use the following in the library filter box to trim the forest
lang:la for latin
lang:he for hebrew
lang:el for greek

To clarify, that works for mobile apps but not desktop Logos.

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P A | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 12:48 PM
Rosie That is precisely the point I am making. As a Logos user when I use Noet I don't want to see the bible stuff. Do I really have to have separate Logos accounts? :) Better filters on the Logos apps are the answer. :) P A
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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 12:52 PM

P A:
Rosie That is precisely the point I am making. As a Logos user when I use Noet I don't want to see the bible stuff. Do I really have to have separate Logos accounts? :) Better filters on the Logos apps are the answer. :) P A

It's the Bible features that Noet won't show. But the content of your library is the same no matter what app you're using.

Just create a "NON-Biblical-Stuff" collection and use that when you're using Noet. I haven't tried the Noet app, so I don't know whether it has the ability to filter the Library like Logos does. (Actually I'm pretty sure it doesn't yet, on the mobile platform, but the desktop version should.)

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 1:06 PM

Rosie Perera:
Just create a "NON-Biblical-Stuff" collection and use that when you're using Noet. I haven't tried the Noet app, so I don't know whether it has the ability to filter the Library like Logos does. (Actually I'm pretty sure it doesn't yet, on the mobile platform, but the desktop version should.)

The mobile apps don't have collections support yet.  They need it.

Currently, you can use tags to filter the library in the mobile apps, but having a collection filter (like the desktop app does) would be better.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 2:13 PM

Actually the point for me is just great.  I work off line.  So, each app is its own little world. Which books, view settings, even the sorts.

What's even more amazing is that I use the same highlighting file.  Delete one file and all the apps are nice and clean!  A whole lot faster than trying to erase my highlighting my books I want to sell.

But library tailoring REALLY needs work on ALL the platforms.  Going back to fgh's (I think) request to allow the L5 library settings to stay in place, and 'hidden' books to be just that ... a setting away.


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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 2:30 PM

I use Noet as a simple e-reader.  I have a split screen with Harvard Classics in one half and Augustine's City of God in the other half, and just show the book I am currently reading in full screen.  These are books I don't want a reading plan for but just want to pick up and read when I'm ready to do so.   Noet Desktop Applicction has not yet been released - March or April I think I read - and so the target market for it's audience are not yet able to create collections, or reading plans yet - hence these features are not yet supported in the app.

As a a Logos user i appreciate being able to have several different reading/ note taking scenarios setup via the different available apps that all work with the same library - that is the advantage to me for a Logos user at this point I time for using the Noet app.  For deeper study Logos app is the way to go - provide you are connected to the Internet.

Rosie Perera:

Noet is not meant for people who also have Logos. It is meant for people who don't want the biblical stuff in their face. There's no point in Logos users getting Noet.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 2:45 PM

P A:
What is the point of Logos specialist apps like Noet? As soon as you log on with your logos password all logos books you own show up library. So the Noet books are lost in a multitude of other books. So this gives me no real advantage. It would be great if we could have in the settings for Noet filters for: LATIN ANCIENT GREEEK PHILOSOPHY CLASSIC LITERATURE ETC. P A

Who determines what should be in NOET app ? Should LSJ be included but not BDAG?  What if user only owns BDAG but has been excluded? Should the be forced into buying LSJ?  And I am sure there are other resources beyond lexicon that fall into gray area.   Should ecclesiastical Latin resources be included / excluded.  

And then there are those who might use NOET and are studying religion as part of their Arts degree a want access to a bible for a course they are doing  on 'Christian Scriptures'.  Should they not have that option to access a bible, or the Koran, or other 'religous texts' that might be available in Logos, for for their study purposes?

I hear what you are saying, have even thought it myself at times but believe now current situation is the best option.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 2:53 PM

Disciple of Christ (doc):

Who determines what should be in NOET app ? Should LSJ be included but not BDAG?  What if user only owns BDAG but has been excluded? Should the be forced into buying LSJ?  And I am sure there are other resources beyond lexicon that fall into gray area.   Should ecclesiastical Latin resources be included / excluded.  

And then there are those who might use NOET and are studying religion as part of their Arts degree a want access to a bible for a course they are doing  on 'Christian Scriptures'.  Should they not have that option to access a bible, or the Koran, or other 'religous texts' that might be available in Logos, for for their study purposes?

I think you're misunderstanding. The different branded apps (Logos, Noet, Vyrso, Verbum) do not block users from having access to any particular resources that another one allows. Just because Noet doesn't have the biblical features does not mean that Bibles or religious resources aren't available on it for reading and doing other things with (highlighting). If a resource is available for mobile at all, it's available on all of them, including Noet.

There are some resources that for reasons unbeknownst to use (licensing arrangements with the publisher, no doubt) are only available on the desktop platforms. You can see on the product description page what platforms a resource runs on. BDAG is universally available, so no users who own it are going to be "excluded" from using it on their mobile Noet app:

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2014 2:57 PM

Rosie Perera:

Disciple of Christ (doc):

Who determines what should be in NOET app ? Should LSJ be included but not BDAG?  What if user only owns BDAG but has been excluded? Should the be forced into buying LSJ?  And I am sure there are other resources beyond lexicon that fall into gray area.   Should ecclesiastical Latin resources be included / excluded.  

And then there are those who might use NOET and are studying religion as part of their Arts degree a want access to a bible for a course they are doing  on 'Christian Scriptures'.  Should they not have that option to access a bible, or the Koran, or other 'religous texts' that might be available in Logos, for for their study purposes?

I think you're misunderstanding. The different branded apps (Logos, Noet, Vyrso, Verbum) do not block users from having access to any particular resources that another one allows. If a resource is available for mobile at all, it's available on all of them. There are some resources that for reasons unbeknownst to use (licensing arrangements with the publisher, no doubt) are only available on the desktop platforms. You can see on the product description page what platforms a resource runs on. BDAG is universally available, so no users who own it are going to be "excluded" from using it on their mobile app:

No misunderstanding Rosie I know all resources are available in all apps and was pointing out it is a good thing.  I used that scenario to show why blocking resources based on app would be a bad thing.  Apologies if I was not clear enough in translating my thoughts into words.

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