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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 16 2014 1:00 PM

alabama24:

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Nothing special I would be able to name. Just general observation of the situation from a customer point of view.

An observation from a non-windows (except at work) user: From what I have seen, I think that the windows phone would be my "what would I get if I didn't get an iPhone" phone. Of course, that isn't going to happen, but anyways. Big Smile

I haven't heard any strong market push towards the windows phone... I think it deserves a much stronger look than android phones... Stick out tongue

I just had a look at Android - but for years I had used iPhones (till iPhone 4). After changing it for Nokia Lumia 820 with WP 8, I am so happy with it I would not change it for any other OS. It is simply much better then others IMHO, just not having the right market share Smile... yet. I am sure it will come.

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Mark Nigro | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 17 2014 6:23 PM

Would love to see Logos come to Windows Phone 8.

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John Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 27 2014 10:21 PM

Hmm....so I guess by your logic, if one were to get up into the pulpit to preach, and there were only 2 eager people out in the pews waiting to hear the message....and hundreds of people in a packed-house church around the corner....then that preacher should leave and go to the church with "market share," because those 2 poor souls are JUST NOT WORTH OUR RESOURCES!!

Not good strategy for a disciple, Bob...

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David Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 1 2014 6:19 AM

I just found this topic after posting along similar lines in another topic. Not knowing who will read that other one about Android versus Windows, I'll post again here as this seems to be an important discussion.

Go to http://gs.statcounter.com/, select Operating System, All Platforms. Add up Windows 8 and 8.1. The latest collected statistics on internet page views show Win8 at 14%, iOS 12%, Android 17% across all devices in use over the last year. This is not reported sales or a survey. This is not 3% phone market share. This is collected statistics of what is in use. Now, it is possible that Win8 users simply do more page views, but I kind of doubt it.

So I still don't understand the "wait for market share" comment from Logos. Eventually more of those 1.5 billion Windows users will have a version of Windows that supports Windows Store Apps (the Modern UI), whether on a Phone, Tablet or Desktop. (The One Product Family, One Platform, One Store message, right?) But even now Win8 show 14% page view share for all devices. Isn't that enough to write a Logos Windows Store App? Just curious. Thanks.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 1 2014 6:59 AM

David Brown:
Go to http://gs.statcounter.com/, select Operating System, All Platforms. Add up Windows 8 and 8.1. The latest collected statistics on internet page views show Win8 at 14%, iOS 12%, Android 17% across all devices in use over the last year. This is not reported sales or a survey. This is not 3% phone market share. This is collected statistics of what is in use. Now, it is possible that Win8 users simply do more page views, but I kind of doubt it.

There is a major problem with your understanding of those stats. They include desktop as well as mobile. Wink

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Christian Dyssegaard | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 7 2014 1:25 AM

Dear Bob

First of all I'm sad to hear that Logos will not be making an app for Windows Phone 8. I have an suggestion thou. Is it possible to make the app for Windows 8 universal? In this way is would be possible for me to read the Danish bible on my phone. Biblia.com isn't working well on the cellphone. And the download function(in the app) would be nice when I'm out of reach of data.

I'm hoping this post is being read by you and you will consider making the Windows 8/8.1 app universal.

Please do not do this because I suggest this, but because the Gospel needs to go further.

Your brother in the lord.

Christian Dyssegaard
Stud. teol, father and husband.

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Eromosele A Onofe | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 24 2014 10:05 PM

Listen to yourself!!!

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Ken Hubbard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 28 2015 8:46 PM

I love the look of the Windows Phone and the surface tablet; they both have great things going for them and as much as I love them, I'd not buy either of them thanks to 2 simple little words; "Sony Betamax."

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David Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 29 2015 3:16 AM

“Microsoft revealed fiscal second-quarter revenues that beat Wall Street expectations, but it its bottom line was hit by higher expenses including the tech titan’s restructuring plan and integration of Nokia, and an IRS audit-adjustment tax expense during the quarter.” “Big jumps in sales of its Surface tablets, cloud computing software and Lumia smartphones drove Microsoft's quarterly revenue above expectations”. 

Big jumps in Surface tablets and Lumia smartphones? Does not sound like Sony Betamax to me... at least not yet.

There must be a number of people who have not received the news that Lumia and Surface are dead.

I'll continue to buy them as long as they make them. With the rapid change in technology I'm not afraid to take some risk. Something does not work out? Just buy another a little bit sooner than you might have otherwise.

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David Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 29 2015 3:27 AM

alabama24: I don't understand your point, unless you are equating mobile with computing devices.

Microsoft has 90% of the desktop market. There are over 1 billion of them running Windows. "But what if you include phones, tablets, Apple, Android, Linux, etc?” Well, around 55% of the world’s computing devices generating web traffic run Windows. Is there something to doubt about that number?

My point was that you may debate the equating of page views to devices but it has got to be close. Apple and Google do not "own" the world even if they "own" mobile.

My other point is that there is a huge Windows installed base that can run "modern apps" and Logos seems to be ignoring that base. There are other Bible software companies that are not. So I've switched away from Logos for mobile devices.

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He Is Lord! | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 29 2015 3:59 AM

I'm with you David.  But as I see it I didn't switch from Logos for mobile devices...they dumped me a long time ago.  I will stick with the program for desktop, laptop and Surface (which is a great tablet) and use alternatives for my Windows Phone which at the present time are more than adequate for the limited abilities of any smartphone when it comers to serious Bible study.  Blessings.

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David Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 29 2015 4:17 AM

He is Lord!: On the phone, "Hey Cortana. Open Logos and search the NIV, Jesus BEFORE 2 WORDS Christ."

Besides Cortana integration, I would really like to see what Logos could do with a "universal app" on Windows 10. If you have the Windows 10 beta, open the Photo app and resize it and watch what happens. You will see what it will look like on a phone, tablet, or desktop, dynamically. Windows 10 beta seems stable enough on one of my tablets that I'm considering putting it on my (essential, must always work right now) desktop.

HoloLens integration would be more interesting. Talk about visualization tool...

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 29 2015 4:36 AM

David Brown:
alabama24: I don't understand your point, unless you are equating mobile with computing devices.

My point was simple, I will explain it again. The numbers you gave lumped desktop and mobile together. That statistic is worthless. What you need to show is that 1) sales of windows phone devices are actually increasing and 2) usage of windows phone devices is actually increasing.

David Brown:
My other point is that there is a huge Windows installed base that can run "modern apps" and Logos seems to be ignoring that base. There are other Bible software companies that are not.

Again, you haven't shown that! How many "windows" users is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is how many windows mobile users there are, and how much they use those devices.

The reason I mentioned "page views" earlier is because owners of iOS devices actually USE them more than owners of Android devices do... and owners of Android devices USE their devices more than owners of windows mobile devices (we aren't talking about devices running full windows). It doesn't matter if the world's entire population were to be given a windows phone for free if none of them actually used the thing. 

I am not "anti" windows phone. I am not against Faithlife developing for the platform. I am just trying to help you make your case better, if there is a case to be made. Faithlife is taking a "watch and see" approach. If you have any real evidence that people are 1) buying and 2) using windows mobile phones, bring out the champaign and share it with us! Smile

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 1:52 AM

I am with David in that debate and I just want to make sure we do not compare the number of iOS devices and Windows Phone devices since Windows tablets run Windows 8.1 so far. SO we would have to compare just iPhones and WP devices. But with coming of Windows 10 all of that is irrelevant. You have to take into account all Windows devices because people will use universal apps on all of those devices, not separated the way we have it on MAC platform (iOS and OSX etc.)

That's why I am strongly supporting the idea of having Logos as Universal Application for Windows 10 - working on all the devices. And please, don't compare Windows 10 with BETAMAX situation. We are not there - and I am convinced (at least here in Europe) will not be anytime soon.

Bohuslav

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 4:36 AM

I don't admit to fully understanding the windows 10 universal app thing... But it sounds like you don't understand it either. If it is truly as you say, there is no need for logos to do anything! It'll just work, right? Wink Of course, that isn't true. Even if iOS and OSX were the same OS, different apps would be required because the hardware for the mobile apps wouldn't be sufficient. The same will be true with windows. Could you imagine trying to perform even a 4 hour indexing on a phone?

i trust that Bob WILL develop for windows mobile if it makes Business sense. The guy has a soft spot for MSFT. He got his start there after all. Smile

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 30 2015 8:30 AM

I have Windows 8.1 running on a couple of Nokia Lumia 925 phones, on a Lenovo 2-in-1,on a home-built desktop, and in dual-boot mode on an old Toshiba laptop that originally came with VISTA.  I do think Microsoft took a major misstep with Windows 8, not because the OS is bad (it's proved absolutely solid on all the above mentioned devices) but because they swung the pendulum way too far toward mobile devices in regard to the interface and totally missed the frustration the interface changes would have on their core desktop/laptop customers.  And they have admitted it loud and clear with their decision to skip Windows 9 and go straight to 10, not to mention the free upgrade to 10 they'll be providing for all Windows 7 and 8 users.

With that out of the way, I have to say it didn't take me long at all to get used to Windows 8, and based on what I've seen so far regarding 10, when 10 comes out I think Microsoft will have accomplished a major course correction and regained the approval of their user base.  I very much like my Windows phone and I like the Windows OS.  I've had an Apple desktop in the past and we currently have an Apple laptop in the house.  The OS on the desktop was the worst OS I've ever used--I got so tired of seeing that little "bomb" icon pop up doing mundane tasks, and then having to pull the desktop out away from the wall to do a hard reset using a button on the back of the machine.  The laptop has been fine, but honestly, I just don't understand all the fuss over the Apple OS.  I haven't had any issues with the Apple OS laptop, but then, over many years, I've run almost every version of Windows that  Microsoft produced (and several versions of DOS before that) and I have NEVER, NEVER, EVER, EVER had a single OS or application problem with ANY version of the OS on ANY of the numerous machines I've had.

I'm not at all an Apple basher.  I have friends and relatives who love their Apple devices and I'm happy for them.  Smile  I just don't personally see Apple devices as superior to Windows based machines and can't justify the higher price they demand.  I sincerely hope the Windows phone is here to stay, but I don't think it's going to be easy for Microsoft to gain market share.  To make it happen, I think they're going to have to do a lot of things nearly perfect AND offer some very aggressive pricing--otherwise the Apple and Android based users will have no reason to consider leaving platforms they're comfortable and satisfied with, even IF the Windows OS has more to offer.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 31 2015 3:30 AM

alabama24:

I don't admit to fully understanding the windows 10 universal app thing... But it sounds like you don't understand it either. If it is truly as you say, there is no need for logos to do anything! It'll just work, right? Wink Of course, that isn't true. Even if iOS and OSX were the same OS, different apps would be required because the hardware for the mobile apps wouldn't be sufficient. The same will be true with windows. Could you imagine trying to perform even a 4 hour indexing on a phone?

i trust that Bob WILL develop for windows mobile if it makes Business sense. The guy has a soft spot for MSFT. He got his start there after all. Smile

I certainly do not understand all about it but one thing what I hope I understand is the way universal apps should work, and that is on all devices of the Windows 10 platform - from small phones to big Surface Hubs. Of course it does not mean that any PC traditional software would work on the phones. It would not make sense. But it means (and some of that already works now in the Technical Preview through the Beta Store) that apps from the Store that work on Lumia (or any WP 8 phone), will work eventually also on the tablets and notebooks etc. So, the point is, that writing the universal application for Windows 10 platform will not be limited just for Lumias etc. users but will be useful addition as a simple Logos reader on tablets and even notebooks.

Bohuslav

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