Page 2 of 2 (40 items) < Previous 1 2
This post has 39 Replies | 2 Followers

Posts 7
Rob Lambert | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 2 2016 8:02 AM

Does the New Spirit Filled Lfe Bible fit the bill?  I am not familiar with it but may buy it.

thanks

Posts 2404
Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 2 2016 8:29 AM

Rob Lambert:

Does the New Spirit Filled Lfe Bible fit the bill?  I am not familiar with it but may buy it.

thanks

Hi Rob;

Here is an excerpt from 1 Cor. 1. If you would like to see something specific, I'll see what I can do.

Posts 173
Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 5 2016 4:12 PM

Rob Lambert:

Does the New Spirit Filled Lfe Bible fit the bill?  I am not familiar with it but may buy it.

No, it really doesn't fit the bill.  I own both resources in hardback, and the differences are actually quite pronounced.  The "New Spirit-Filled Life Bible" is more Charismatic in its theology.  Prosperity gospel, Word-of-Faith, etc are all part and parcel with it.  The "Fire Bible" (formally "Full Life" & "Life in the Spirit") is solidly conservative Pentecostal in its theology.  They are actually world's apart. 

I once more urge Logos/Faith Life to make the "Fire Bible" a top priority, so that its Pentecostal customers have this valuable resource at their fingertips.  It's indispensable. 

Posts 67
Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 24 2016 6:42 PM

It's time to revisit the Fire Bible.  Let's not give up hope.  The FIRE Bible by Donald Stamps is so much more useful than Swaggart's "Expositors Study Bible" which Logos offers (that Bible has the notes placed in RED in an interlinear manner)Sad The Fire Bible does so much more so much better.  It has copious notes, charts, and illustrations. One chart I'm aware of has "prophecies about Christ" in the Old Testament.  The commentary on Acts 2, 1 Corinthians 13, and Acts 10 are from a classical pentecostal perspective.  This should be a flagship resource for the Pentecostal/Charismatic base package.  

Posts 1405
PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 24 2016 8:35 PM

Dan Langston:

This should be a flagship resource for the Pentecostal/Charismatic base package.

Yes

Considering that it's been requested since 2011 in many different threads (to mention a few), and is available in other bible programs, Logos should do what it takes to produce a Logos edition of this study bible.

Here's the Fire Bible user voice book suggestion, if you want to vote for it.

Posts 2404
Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 24 2016 8:55 PM

Dan Langston:

It's time to revisit the Fire Bible.  Let's not give up hope.  The FIRE Bible by Donald Stamps is so much more useful than Swaggart's "Expositors Study Bible" which Logos offers (that Bible has the notes placed in RED in an interlinear manner)Sad The Fire Bible does so much more so much better.  It has copious notes, charts, and illustrations. One chart I'm aware of has "prophecies about Christ" in the Old Testament.  The commentary on Acts 2, 1 Corinthians 13, and Acts 10 are from a classical pentecostal perspective.  This should be a flagship resource for the Pentecostal/Charismatic base package.  

I'm all for the Fire Bible, and I don't quite understand why it is so hard to get in Logos either.

I'm curious though as why the comparison with Expositors Study Bible (as far as the push for Fire Bible)?

Posts 67
Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 25 2016 2:14 PM

Simply because before his issues, Rev. Swaggart was an ordained Assemblies of God minister. It seems his approach to his study Bible (given a similar theological worldview) was worthy of a comparison. That is the only reason.

Posts 2404
Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 25 2016 3:11 PM

Dan Langston:

Simply because before his issues, Rev. Swaggart was an ordained Assemblies of God minister. It seems his approach to his study Bible (given a similar theological worldview) was worthy of a comparison. That is the only reason.

OK, thanks.

Posts 173
Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 28 2016 7:02 AM

Logos still not carrying the Fire Bible is, imho, the biggest head-scratcher and most important resource they don't offer that other bible programs do offer.  It honestly makes absolutely no sense and I have to believe they simply haven't pursued it. 

In the past I've been critical of the proportionality of certain theological streams.  If you lean Reformed then Logos is a gold mine.  If you lean Pentecostal, it's really wanting in its offerings.  The fact that many years of clamoring for the Fire Bible has produced zero results tells me they just don't have an interest in catering to this part of their base.  I don't think there's any other conclusion a reasonable person can come to.

Posts 1405
PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 28 2016 7:48 AM

Gary Osborne:

Logos still not carrying the Fire Bible is, imho, the biggest head-scratcher and most important resource they don't offer that other bible programs do offer.  It honestly makes absolutely no sense and I have to believe they simply haven't pursued it. 

In the past I've been critical of the proportionality of certain theological streams.  If you lean Reformed then Logos is a gold mine.  If you lean Pentecostal, it's really wanting in its offerings.  The fact that many years of clamoring for the Fire Bible has produced zero results tells me they just don't have an interest in catering to this part of their base.  I don't think there's any other conclusion a reasonable person can come to.

Most other denominations offer Portfolio base packages (about 3,000 books), while Pentecostal stops at Gold (1,224 books).

At one time, I believe Pentecostal had a Product Manager that exclusively handled that denomination, but I think someone else has been responsible for 3 denominations now, including Pentecostal.

Posts 2
Cindy Colbert | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 27 2017 2:04 PM

Why Is There 'ONLY 54 Votes' For The Fire Bible When It's Been A HUGE Request For So Long? 

Please-Please-Please Add Your Votes So Logos Will Take Our Request Seriously. 

https://suggestbooks.uservoice.com/forums/308269-book-suggestions/suggestions/10843155-fire-bible 

Posts 2
Cindy Colbert | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 27 2017 2:08 PM

Currently There Are 'ONLY 54 Votes' For The Long Standing Request For Logos To Add The Fire Bible .... Please-Please-Please Add Your Votes So Logos Will Take Our Request Seriously.

 https://suggestbooks.uservoice.com/forums/308269-book-suggestions/suggestions/10843155-fire-bible 

Posts 169
Kendall Sholtess | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 20 2017 4:45 AM

Despite the many denials I have heard, I still maintain that Faithlife, whether they admit it or not, has a distinct Reformed bias in the resources they offer.

When they attempt to expand out of that, it is almost always in the direction of liberal or neo-orthodox theology. 

Posts 2387
Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 20 2017 4:56 AM

I have read portions of this- its no big deal- just use the nasb update or nasb 77.

Posts 3591
Forum MVP
Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 20 2017 6:11 AM

Kendall Sholtess:

Despite the many denials I have heard, I still maintain that Faithlife, whether they admit it or not, has a distinct Reformed bias in the resources they offer.

When they attempt to expand out of that, it is almost always in the direction of liberal or neo-orthodox theology. 

I'm not Reformed at all and I used to share your opinion.  Still latent within me.  However, I really do think it has more to do with sales and availability than some nefarious plot against non-Reformed denominations and theologians.  We have no clue as to their motivation, but my guess is: if it'd sell like hot cakes AND there were no publisher/contract issues, then they'd produce it.  The fact that uservoice (see above) "only had 54 votes" may be an indication of things---although a lot of that may be due to the fact that most normal users have no clue what uservoice is nor how to find those things within it that they'd like to lend their voice to . . . 

And heck, my tradition doesn't even have their own product line yet . . . so be happy.  Big Smile

HP Pavilion dv 7z 1000   AMD Turion X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-80 2.10 GHz  3.00 GB RAM 64-bit Win 7

Posts 173
Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 20 2017 6:32 AM

Kendall Sholtess:

Despite the many denials I have heard, I still maintain that Faithlife, whether they admit it or not, has a distinct Reformed bias in the resources they offer.

When they attempt to expand out of that, it is almost always in the direction of liberal or neo-orthodox theology. 

I'm somewhere between Kendall's view and Friedrich on Logos/Faithlife when it comes to their offerings.  I do believe they cater far more to the Reformed/Baptist portion of their audience, but I suspect it's a chicken/egg phenomenon with supply and demand.  For whatever reason, Logos has either supplied more Reformed material over the years and hence built up their base in that area, or the base from those camps have favored Logos and the demand has lead to the supply.  

Regardless of which came first, the supply or the demand, there is zero doubt that Reformed/Baptist material is supplied far and above Pentecostal material.  And the problem with what passes for the Pentecostal material that we do see in Logos is that the largest denomination, the Assemblies of God, has a plethora of material that is NOT offered by Logos.  The "Fire Bible" is but one pertinent example.  It should have been in the Logos resource offerings years ago.  Other bible software companies have been offering it for many years now, and yet it remains in hiding for Faithlife.  Makes no sense other than some strange bias.  There are plenty of Pentecostals, including A/G and other conservative branches, that use Logos and this resource is considered a prized possession - a must for conservative Pentecostals.  That it continues to be excluded is a downright shame.

Posts 3591
Forum MVP
Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 20 2017 6:55 AM

Gary Osborne:
the largest denomination, the Assemblies of God, has a plethora of material that is NOT offered by Logos.  The "Fire Bible" is but one pertinent example.  It should have been in the Logos resource offerings years ago.  Other bible software companies have been offering it for many years now, and yet it remains in hiding for Faithlife.  Makes no sense other than some strange bias

it could be because the person in charge of acquisitions does not know about it . . . although if they had a person in charge of the Pentecostal base package at one point, you would have thought they'd have know about its centrality.  Which makes me wonder if it were some sort of contractual issue. Logos will produce if they will make money, I maintain.

I'm always hesitant to assign motivation to people, especially because I have had a problem with doing so (assigning motivation) only to have it be proven wrong, time-and-again.  And I think of myself as smart and perceptive . . . (lol, maybe I am not!) . . . but I am still wrong.  I also notice that when I am suspicious or feel disadvantaged somehow, I tend to assign a negative motive to the entity I am frustrated with.  It is often wrong.  But I see this tendency with a LOT of disgruntled Logos users.  We need more peace and love, baby.  Big Smile Left HugRight Hug Wink

HP Pavilion dv 7z 1000   AMD Turion X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-80 2.10 GHz  3.00 GB RAM 64-bit Win 7

Posts 169
Kendall Sholtess | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 20 2017 11:04 PM

I should have worded it "unintentional" bias. I don't think it is a plot. I do think that it is possible that the majority of their staff are from non-Pentecostal backgrounds. We can see that in a lot of areas. I have seen few Pentecostal scholars on Faithlife Today, for example. I don't remember if I have seen Craig Keener there or not. 

The issue is that there are a lot of us who are conservative. Which means we stick closer to the classical Pentecostal view of doctrine, and we don't go for charismatic, especially independent charismatic teaching. The Fire Bible fits well into that classical model. 

Classical Pentecostals make up a huge portion of Christians in the world today. They are not limited to the Assemblies of God but are also present in the Church of God and many other denominations which I cannot name off here. 

Classical Pentecostalism is being obscured by a lot of sensationalism, hocus pocus and hullabaloo. The Fire Bible is a very solid resource, in my opinion, both as a tool for ministers and the faithful Christian to stem the tide a bit and offer some balance. 

Posts 3591
Forum MVP
Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 21 2017 6:19 AM

Kendall Sholtess:
Classical Pentecostals make up a huge portion of Christians in the world today.

no doubt! that'd also lend potential support for increased Pentecostal resources.

Kendall Sholtess:
I don't think it is a plot.

to be clear, I did not sense that from you.  Was speaking autobiographicaly and what I perceive from several who post their vivid accusations. SurpriseWink

take care!

HP Pavilion dv 7z 1000   AMD Turion X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-80 2.10 GHz  3.00 GB RAM 64-bit Win 7

Posts 173
Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 21 2017 7:11 AM

Kendall Sholtess:

I should have worded it "unintentional" bias. I don't think it is a plot. I do think that it is possible that the majority of their staff are from non-Pentecostal backgrounds. We can see that in a lot of areas. I have seen few Pentecostal scholars on Faithlife Today, for example. I don't remember if I have seen Craig Keener there or not. 

The issue is that there are a lot of us who are conservative. Which means we stick closer to the classical Pentecostal view of doctrine, and we don't go for charismatic, especially independent charismatic teaching. The Fire Bible fits well into that classical model. 

Classical Pentecostals make up a huge portion of Christians in the world today. They are not limited to the Assemblies of God but are also present in the Church of God and many other denominations which I cannot name off here. 

Classical Pentecostalism is being obscured by a lot of sensationalism, hocus pocus and hullabaloo. The Fire Bible is a very solid resource, in my opinion, both as a tool for ministers and the faithful Christian to stem the tide a bit and offer some balance. 

Bingo on all points, Kendall.  I also think it's unintentional (i.e. not a contrived plot).  Bias doesn't have to be plotted to still be bias.  Your explanation lines up perfectly with my thinking.  

Take care.

Page 2 of 2 (40 items) < Previous 1 2 | RSS
Copyright 1992-2015 Faithlife / Logos Bible Software.