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Celeste Fiorillo | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Feb 4 2014 1:39 PM

We'd love to know who is using Mobile Ed and learn how we can better serve people in all stages of Christian learning.

Are you currently in seminary? Went to school in the past and want a refresher? Currently serving in ministry and want tools at your fingertips? Never been to seminary and want to learn more?

What about Mobile Ed is working/not working for you in your stage of learning?

Personally, I LOVE Mobile Ed because any reference that I might not understand is just a right-click away from finding the answer within my Logos library. It makes the courses accessible to me, and I feel fully equipped to understand the professor and the course. 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 5 2014 1:30 PM

Celeste Chute:
Went to school in the past and want a refresher?

Yeo, that's me.  I am looking forward to the Doctrine courses for a new perspective.

Celeste Chute:
What about Mobile Ed is working/not working for you in your stage of learning?

I am happy to report the courseware is easy to use with low-vision settings (Windows PC) I can easily read the text, view the videos, and take the quizzes.  So far, I am impressed.

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Michelle Gordon | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 7 2014 7:22 AM

I too LOVE mobile Ed because it is so easy to research what is being taught within and outside of Logos. I would love to use this material on a Sunday morning or midweek study with a large group. Wonder if there would be much interest though.

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 7 2014 8:47 AM

I am actively in a BA for Expository Preaching and Pastoral Leadership at the college level. Currently, I am a senior and took a year off after my spouse passed away. So, I still need to complete my senior year in the program which I will do in 2015. The Mobile Ed courses are nothing more than resources in my library I can consult when I need or want to. The courses will always be in my library to consult so I am sure I will use them over and over in the future. So far, all the courses are refreshers for me.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 7 2014 3:28 PM

I can see now how mEd is very versatile. The ability to clear quiz answers and retake the quizzes makes this ideal for home schoolers.

My 14 year old is eager to get into Logos. I, myself, can't wait to see what other courses mEd comes out with.

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Jay Dozier | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 13 2014 8:27 AM

I have  been a LBS user for several years and I love it. I use the software on my phone daily, it is a part of my life. I bought the software while I was a student in a Bible college at a discounted rate and am very thankful to Logos for having the educational discount program. If it were not for that program I could have never afforded the software.

I wanted to preface my comments in this thread so that I wasn't labeled a troll or something.

In my opinion M.Ed is to expensive and (at this moment in time at least) narrowly focused to ever be used by large groups of people. I think a glance at the forum participation numbers will back me up. The announcement for M.Ed  has 150+ comments. The other forums about specific courses or use of the programs are under 20, with a few exceptions. Once the product rolled out and people saw the prices interest crashed. I can only imagine that is the impetus of this thread and a couple others like it.

Logos libraries are used mostly by those engaged in ministry or students seeking to be. Even the base library is not going to appeal to the majority of the Christian population because they will not recognize the benefit of the software. I know in my own life had my school not shown me the benefit of owning a Logos library I would have never invested. The other portion, and possibly the larger portion, of Logos users use the phone apps. The a la carte pricing used by the app lets people that cannot afford a base package build a library that fits their needs and their budget. I would imagine that the majority of the app users stick with the free content and never convert to paying customers.

My point is Logos is marketing base package pricing to free app users and people who are already enrolled in or have completed some form of Christian education. Most people I know, regardless of how much they would like to learn more, cannot afford to spend $150 to $300 on a single course. It is out of their reach financially. A quick Google search will provide people with free or at least substantially less expensive instruction in most of the areas that M.Ed is offering. The platform is the only thing that sets M.Ed apart, and that only slightly as others offer online video driven instruction as well. Convenience is only so valuable. 

It is my sincerest hope that M.Ed does take off like a rocket, and that I am just as wrong as a man can be (this would not be a new thing for me :) Like I said I love Logos and what they are trying to do. However if this doesn't happen I hope lowering the price, considerably, is one of their first considerations. Anyone involved in app marketplace sales understands economies of scale. I hope that they flip their model for M.Ed from their Logos model: instead of a few expensive packages sold while giving away a lot, trying giving away little while selling a lot of low priced courses. 

Of course recognized accreditation and solid degree/certificate programs could legitimize the current, or possibly slightly higher, prices.

Sorry for being so long winded and probably overly opinionated. I honestly do hope I am just flat out wrong and that M.Ed is a crazy success for Logos.

Father, bless them please for trying to help educate your people.

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Gerard Shanley | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2014 1:50 PM

I am a long time Logos (most recently Verbum) user who has over the years accumulated a large library of resources. Logos has been my primary educational tool for Theology and Scripture. Mobile Ed is a means of giving a professionally guided structure to my studies. I am delighted with the program and I think that folks like me are ideal candidates for Mobile Ed. I have no interest in attending seminary but firmly believe that a solid grounding in  Holy Scripture, Salvation History and Theology are foundational in order for a person to be fully engaged in the human endeavor. I am Roman Catholic and have a pretty strong Thomistic orientation but I have found that except for a couple of obvious points of doctrinal disagreement that these courses provide an excellent means to approach serious study at reasonable cost regardless of denomination.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2014 2:21 PM

I have a question regarding M.Ed on Romans by Douglas Moo that's gonna be released tomorrow.....

In terms of technicality and educating, on a scale 1 to 10 .. who is the target audience?

1 as is church leaders with no seminary education.. 10 as in those who has doctoral degrees.

I would love the number to be around 7, because Moo is a great scholar and I expect no less out of him. And I don't want it less than 5 because it'll be too basic for most people here.

I also hope it is not "devotional" type of education, I'm expecting "technical" type.

Can someone from Logos comment for those who are interested?

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Alex Bui | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 17 2014 4:00 PM

mike:

I have a question regarding M.Ed on Romans by Douglas Moo that's gonna be released tomorrow.....

In terms of technicality and educating, on a scale 1 to 10 .. who is the target audience?

1 as is church leaders with no seminary education.. 10 as in those who has doctoral degrees.

I would love the number to be around 7, because Moo is a great scholar and I expect no less out of him. And I don't want it less than 5 because it'll be too basic for most people here.

I also hope it is not "devotional" type of education, I'm expecting "technical" type.

Can someone from Logos comment for those who are interested?

Hi Mike,  if Logos follows the courses' numbering convention, then this is a third year level course, NT331, offers at Bible Colleges.  You may want to wait for answers from Logos because they design the courses.

PS.  Yes, Moo is a great scholar and he is very kind to teach at this level course.  He certainly could teach at the Seminary level.  That speaks volume about his love to build up the body of Christ.  He has my deepest respect.

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Miles Custis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 18 2014 8:58 AM

mike:

Can someone from Logos comment for those who are interested?

I hesitate to put a number value on the course since different people might have a different evaluation for your scale, but I think you will find that it meets your needs. Moo covers a variety of issues in the course including phrases like "righteousness of God" and "faith of Jesus Christ" (highlighting the distinction between objective and subjective genitives). He discusses the background and audience of Romans and theological issues involved in the letter. He mentions different interpretations and has a brief evaluation of the "new perspective" on Paul.

Overall, Moo provides pretty thorough and in depth coverage of Romans. People who like reading commentaries (especially Moo's) should find it useful, and people who just want to learn more about Romans will also enjoy it.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 18 2014 9:35 AM

Miles Custis:
I hesitate to put a number value on the course since different people might have a different evaluation for your scale,

I really appreciate your answer. Some non-seminary users can enjoy technical material as much as seminary students. Some seminary students would benefit from a good introduction to Romans. I am guessing this course will be interesting to both types of users.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 3 2014 3:42 PM

I am a seminary student and I would take one of these courses if there were quite a few more lectures, the cost was lower, and I was able to share the whole thing at one cost with other students in say a Men's Bible study.  (That being said if you want me to check out any of your courses for free with feedback from me....please contact me I would be glad to help be a test "student")

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