Does John really need Daniel?

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 11 2014 10:06 PM

As has been stated, we may not all agree on what is heretical.  But I will say this.  Seventh Day Adventists are in my opinion well within the bounds of Orthodoxy.  They believe in the Bible as God's Word.  They believe in the Trinity, and the full deity of Jesus Christ.  They believe in the incarnation, the atonement of the cross, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  They believe that salvation is by grace through faith.

That is good enough for me.  I am not an Adventist, and would disagree with them on some doctrines, but they are my brothers and sisters in Christ.  And I hope they regard me the same.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 11 2014 10:15 PM

Michael Childs:

As has been stated, we may not all agree on what is heretical.  But I will say this.  Seventh Day Adventists are in my opinion well within the bounds of Orthodoxy.  They believe in the Bible as God's Word.  They believe in the Trinity, and the full deity of Jesus Christ.  They believe in the incarnation, the atonement of the cross, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  They believe that salvation is by grace through faith.

The question may well be...is orthodoxy heretical?

The thread title presents an odd question...from my perspective (both basic and prophetic), Revelation isn't John's book to tinker with.

Revelation 1:1-2 -- The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place, and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 12 2014 6:46 AM

Lynden Williams:

By the way I use my wife's pic as my avatar.

I wonder if I'm the only person round here who didn't realise that Embarrassed

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 12 2014 7:34 AM

David Carter:

Lynden Williams:

By the way I use my wife's pic as my avatar.

I wonder if I'm the only person round here who didn't realise that Embarrassed

Lynden has used his own picture as an avatar previously, as I have. Believe me, neither of us are as lovely as our present avatar Big Smile

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 12 2014 1:45 PM

Milkman:

In order for someone to have a "better" or more comprehensive interpretation of the book of Revelation do you or should you have a very good working knowledge of Daniel or does it really matter?

When I was going to college, my university had a Revelation/Daniel combined course - if that tells you anything!

One of my favorite commentaries for Daniel is Stephen Miller's NAC commentary. You might already own it. 

Another book (though outside of Logos) that I would recommend would be Alva McClain's Prophecy of the 70 Weeks. However, when it comes to specific dates - I think Harold Hoehner is on the money!

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 12 2014 2:46 PM

Josh:

I think Harold Hoehner is on the money!

Chronological Aspects looks very interesting. There's an electronic version too. Raise a suggestion in the forum?

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 12 2014 2:57 PM

Lee:

Josh:

I think Harold Hoehner is on the money!

Chronological Aspects looks very interesting. There's an electronic version too. Raise a suggestion in the forum?

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/48537/359888.aspx

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 12 2014 8:19 PM

This was just put on Pre-pub. https://www.logos.com/product/40915/studies-in-revelation 

Lynden Williams Communications

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 12 2014 8:21 PM

The third volume in this set  is Dr. Paulien's Dissertation. https://www.logos.com/product/38542/lifeworks-of-jon-paulien 

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 3:56 AM

@ Allen Browne:

Thanks for the list. Can you recommend any Logos or otherwise relevant books that you think would be helpful for my study?

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Alan Macgregor | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 4:27 AM

When I moved to my previous congregation in Portgordon on the Moray coast, I suggested that we have a Bible Study. They were enthusiastic and asked that we study Revelation. I suggested that we study Daniel first, which we did. Then when we moved on to Revelation it was more accessible for them and they got more out of it, so they said.

Similarly with my other congregation. They suggested Romans; I offered Galatians first. Again Galatians made Romans more accessible for them., or so they said.

I think it depends on where you, or your people are at.

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 5:13 AM

Sorry Milkman

But that picture is a bit much

Can we get rid of it please - Mr Logos

Thanks Kevin

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 9:53 AM

@ Kevin,

Fair enough. It should be deleted once the fine staff @ Logos get my request.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 11:19 AM

I have not done a comparative study end-times wise, but Daniel is indispensible to any and all believing Christians imho.  Its all I preach from currently the few times a year I preach (with NT stuff there too...though frankly it would not have occurred to me to add Revelation until the end of the series...thanks).  Those who feel Jesus and The Cross must be in every sermon....thanks....we agree.  I keep that in mind as well as God's Missio Deo as well.

Blessings / Joshua

p.s. great question Milkman.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 11:42 AM

@ JoshInRI

Thanks brother. I'm still not sure how much temple study to do, nor how much Jewish interpretation of Ezekiel to consider. Any help from anyone would be hugely appreciated.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 12:46 PM

Milkman:

@ Kevin,

Fair enough. It should be deleted once the fine staff @ Logos get my request.

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With a post count that high surely you know how to edit you own posts! Surprise

Just click on the "more" button on the upper right hand corner of your post and select "edit".

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 1:06 PM

@ Josh,

After a while the option to 'edit' no longer exists. You only have three option to choose from:

Surely you should know this? Surprise

Opps, let me do an 'edit' here. Surely Josh you should know this? correct?

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 1:10 PM

Big Smile Embarrassed

I guess I've never tried to edit one of my posts a few days after. Why would Logos turn off the edit function after such a short time?

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 1:12 PM

@ Josh,

I don't know, doesn't really make sense to me 'now', but I'm sure there's a reason why. Could be a 'good' reason or 'not so good' reason. Why don't you ask them?

this is my 'edit'. By the way I do have the NAC Commentary. Thanks for your suggestions. I just ordered the Concordia commentaries on Ezekiel and the NIVACOT on it as well, plus one on Daniel and Revelation. I got the new book by Sam Storms as well. I already have Greg Beale's The Temple and the Church's Mission in paper back.

http://www.amazon.com/Temple-Churchs-Mission-Biblical-Theology/dp/0830826181/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1394742194&sr=1-1&keywords=the+temple+and+the+church%27s+mission

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/82170.aspx

https://www.logos.com/product/17347/concordia-commentary-ezekiel-1-20

https://www.logos.com/product/17348/concordia-commentary-ezekiel-21-48

https://www.logos.com/product/37650/the-niv-application-commentary-ezekiel

https://www.logos.com/product/8180/the-interpretation-of-st-johns-revelation

https://www.logos.com/product/17357/concordia-commentary-revelation

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 13 2014 1:15 PM

Josh:

Big Smile Embarrassed

I guess I've never tried to edit one of my posts a few days after. Why would Logos turn off the edit function after such a short time?

You are generally given about 6-12 hours (I'm not sure exactly) to edit...after that it gets locked. I'm certain it's less than 24 hours. I think it has something to do with maintaining thread integrity.

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