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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Mar 21 2014 7:54 PM

I was disappointed that Bonhoeffer was knocked out of March Madness early but, at the same time, I'm thankful that I am now able to get two books that have been on my wish list for some time at 45% off. In my opinion his best two books are Discipleship -https://www.logos.com/product/39939/dietrich-bonhoeffer-works-vol-4-discipleship and Life Together - https://www.logos.com/product/39940/dietrich-bonhoeffer-works-vol-5-life-together-and-prayerbook-of-the-bible

Ideally I would have loved to have purchased the entire set but it is still too pricey in my opinion. I urge people to consider at least adding these two classic works while they are available at a great price.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 8:56 PM

Got both of those (as well as vol. 3) in print.  Grabbed Discipleship in this sale, and will almost certainly grab something else too.  While Life Together is good (and a modern spiritual classic) I am wondering if maybe I should go with Vol.1 for his explanation of the ecclesiology behind his work, or Ethics...

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Mac | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 9:19 PM

Ethics, Discipleship, Life Together, Letters from Prison, Prayer book of the bible: these are his most famous books. I am thinking of getting these in logos but they are much cheaper in paper format.

On the other hands, vol. 1 Sanctum is his PhD thesis and outlined the foundation of his theology and is a great introduction to his thoughts, Creation and Fall is also a great foundation. These are good buy and less cheaper version available in prints.

Finally, all the other vols such as London, Berlin, Young Bonhoeffer, Tegal prison, conspiracy are more academic, but there is no other discount and this Logos March madness is the best price ever to get those volume.

So it is hard to choose

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 21 2014 11:18 PM

Yes, I picked up Discipleship (most famous), and the final volume (Conspiracy) since there seems to be some question about Bonhoeffer's actual involvement in the final plot and his own words should have the greatest authority for that debate.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 6:35 AM

Ken McGuire:
I am wondering if maybe I should go with Vol.1 for his explanation of the ecclesiology behind his work,

I picked up this too and am still debating on Ethics. I am still considering Ethics. Even at 45% off these are not inexpensive books.

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Paul-C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 6:48 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Ideally I would have loved to have purchased the entire set but it is still too pricey in my opinion. I urge people to consider at least adding these two classic works while they are available at a great price.

Sold - you've just persuaded me to buy these two volumes, Bruce. I hope Logos is offering you a good commission Big Smile

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 7:25 AM

Paul-C:
Sold - you've just persuaded me to buy these two volumes, Bruce. I hope Logos is offering you a good commission Big Smile

I only wish!

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Earl Sheneman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 12:38 PM

Just picked up the Discipleship volume per your recommendation. Maybe we can get you a commission yet! Smile

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 1:14 PM

Not an expert - but these volumes are particularly interesting to me...

Vol. 1 - Sanctorum Communio - I have not read it, but his Doctoral work lays the groundwork for his later work on Church as the the body of Christ for the world.

Vol. 2 - Act and Being - Again, I have not read it, but his post-doc work would provide information about his theological method, and how it fits in with the Ritschl school, as well as Barth and Luther.

Vol. 3 - Creation and Fall - Theological Exegesis of the opening of Genesis.  I am glad I have read it, and expect I will read it again some day.

Vol. 4 - Discipleship - Modern classic theological exegesis of the Sermon on the Mount.  I have already gotten it in Logos

Vol. 5 - Life Together/Psalms - Bonhoeffer's best seller, according to the notes in it.  A more practical book telling about how he implemented his understanding of the Church in a seminary of the Confessing Church - explaining many classic spiritual practices...

Vol. 6 - Ethics - His mature work, and one I need to read...

Vol. 8 - Letters and Papers from Prison - Enigmatic, fragmented works.  May be quite interesting, but not sure if even in this new edition (which I have not seen) makes them understandable without quite a bit of understanding his previous works.

Vol. 12 - Berlin 1932-33 - The beginnings of the Church-struggle.  The Bethel Confession.  His Christological lectures.

Am I missing anything?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 1:17 PM

Ken McGuire:
Vol. 4 - Discipleship - Modern classic theological exegesis of the Sermon on the Mount. 

Most of us might know this as The Cost of Discipleship. I prefer that title, just because it's how I've always known it. But a rose by any other name still smells as sweet. One of the most influential Christian books I've ever read (I've read it three times), and one that I plan to reread several more times in my life.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 1:27 PM

Rosie Perera:
Most of us might know this as The Cost of Discipleship. I prefer that title, just because it's how I've always known it.

Thanks for reminding us of this. I think that "The Cost of Discipleship" is a much better title I'm not sure why they chose to change the title of such a classic.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 1:29 PM

What if these all show up in a new Lutheran base package for a dollar or two a piece in a couple of weeks?

Personally, I'm not buying anything Lutheran or Anglican until the last day of the sale.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 1:31 PM

Bruce Dunning:
I'm not sure why they chose to change the title of such a classic.

To be truer to the German (which doesn't translate very well into English).

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 1:33 PM

Bruce Dunning:
Thanks for reminding us of this. I think that "The Cost of Discipleship" is a much better title I'm not sure why they chose to change the title of such a classic.

When Bonhoeffer published it, the title he provided was simple Nachfolge.  This edition restores the title he provided, as well as the structure Bonhoeffer gave - emphasizing the Ecclesiological basis of all he was saying...

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 3:44 PM

Ken McGuire:

Bruce Dunning:
Thanks for reminding us of this. I think that "The Cost of Discipleship" is a much better title I'm not sure why they chose to change the title of such a classic.

When Bonhoeffer published it, the title he provided was simple Nachfolge.  This edition restores the title he provided, as well as the structure Bonhoeffer gave - emphasizing the Ecclesiological basis of all he was saying...

So what we assumed as the classic title is actually not the classic title Stick out tongue

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 3:57 PM

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Ken McGuire:

Bruce Dunning:
Thanks for reminding us of this. I think that "The Cost of Discipleship" is a much better title I'm not sure why they chose to change the title of such a classic.

When Bonhoeffer published it, the title he provided was simple Nachfolge.  This edition restores the title he provided, as well as the structure Bonhoeffer gave - emphasizing the Ecclesiological basis of all he was saying...

So what we assumed as the classic title is actually not the classic title Stick out tongue

Sometimes when a work is translated into English and then becomes a classic in English, the title it is known by is part of its classic status, even if it was not originally a direct translation of the original language title. It bothers me when, then, someone comes up with a new translation and messes with the title that we all know it by. For example Marcel Proust's Remembrance of Things Past is so well known by that name, even though it's not a translation of the original French title (À la recherche du temps perdu). So who has the gall to come out with a new edition of it, calling it In Search of Lost Time? Yes, it's a more accurate translation, but it messes with all of literary history since the publication of Remembrance... in English. So many other authors refer to it by its best known title.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 22 2014 4:09 PM

fgh:

Bruce Dunning:
I'm not sure why they chose to change the title of such a classic.

To be truer to the German (which doesn't translate very well into English).

Yes, I realize that is true but...

Rosie Perera:
It bothers me when, then, someone comes up with a new translation and messes with the title that we all know it by.

I agree!

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 24 2014 11:03 AM

Rosie Perera:
It bothers me when, then, someone comes up with a new translation and messes with the title that we all know it by.

This is supposed to be a critical edition. It wouldn't be very critical if it let a mistranslation stand, would it?

And who are "we all"? For those of us who knows it under the German, or in my case the exactly translated Swedish, title, it's the old English title that is messed up, not the new one.

I think the real problem here is translators' and publishers' bad habit of 'improving' titles that don't need improving. A good example would be Anders Nygren's classic Eros och agape, which for some odd reason became Agape and Eros in English. What on earth is the sense in that? 

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