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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 7 2014 5:58 PM

Thanks!

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Daniel Liu | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 7 2014 5:58 PM

Thanks.

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Alex Bui | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 7 2014 6:47 PM

From the preface, "This edition, therefore, may confidently claim to be as accurate as the very best editions in print."

This is great.  Thanks, Smile.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 8 2014 1:33 AM

I wonder how this differs from the Logos editions?

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Rob | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 8 2014 5:17 AM

 

It is interesting to compare this version to the two others offered by Logos - they each have their peculiarities.

I can't seem to synchronize them - is it possible?

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 8 2014 5:36 AM

Disciple of Christ (doc):

It was free before some hours.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 9 2014 12:38 PM

Tes:

Seemed to be free less than a day as I had checked for free books earlier in the day and it didn't show up. later when I saw this post it was no longer free.  No complaints, just an observation.  And i have 2 Logos versions , and may be a hidden E4 version,(plus one in Kindle) so missing a free copy is a non issue.  As I said just an observation.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 9 2014 6:17 PM

Disciple of Christ (doc):
Seemed to be free less than a day as I had checked for free books earlier in the day and it didn't show up. later when I saw this post it was no longer free.  No complaints, just an observation.

This has happened in the past as well. There is no guarantee how long any resource will be offered for free. They want us to come back often and check. Smile

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 10 2014 1:39 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Disciple of Christ (doc):
Seemed to be free less than a day as I had checked for free books earlier in the day and it didn't show up. later when I saw this post it was no longer free.  No complaints, just an observation.

This has happened in the past as well. There is no guarantee how long any resource will be offered for free. They want us to come back often and check. Smile

Bruce there is two  problem with this sort of thinking.

1. You can't be constantly coming back to the site during the day while you are at work, particularly if you are not in ministry and work a secular job - your employer doesn't pay you to be monitoring a web site during the day to see what free books you can pick up for your own personal benefit.  And even in ministry this sort of constant monitoring is not appropriate - you can't stop in the middle of a funeral and to check Vyrso site because it's been 3 hours since you lasted looked at it, and you don't want to miss out on the last free book.

2.  What about international customers do they have to constantly get up through the night to be regularly checking the site every few hours as they are on completely different time zones ?

Both scenarios point out why it is a ridiculous policy to put up a title on an offer for less than a full 24 hour cycle, it is just another case of very poor marketing by Logos that shows a lack of understanding of their customer if they think we have the time or opportunity to be constantly monitoring a website for special offers that don't last a full 24 hour cycle.

I just don't get how a company can see this as a way to engage customers positively. Confused  All it does is shows a complete lack of ignorance of reality, and can only server to result in the loss of customer goodwill.

PS Bruce I know you are just the messenger so my comments are not a slight against you.  Your posts are always made with the utmost desire to assist fellow users.  I just can't agree with you on this occasion.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 10 2014 1:45 AM

Disciple of Christ (doc):
PS Bruce I know you are just the messenger so my comments are not a slight against you.  Your posts are always made with the utmost desire to assist fellow users.  I just can't agree with you on this occasion.

I'm not sure what your disagreement is with me on this. Here is what I said -

This has happened in the past as well. There is no guarantee how long any resource will be offered for free. They want us to come back often and check.

I don't think that I expressed any opinion on this but only stated facts.

Personally I would prefer it if the deal was longer than 24 hours so our opinions are probably similar.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 10 2014 2:10 AM

Agreed. I've missed a few specials this way and feel a little time-zone discrimination. But probably someone at marketing just has a quota to meet.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 10 2014 1:21 PM

Bruce Dunning:
I don't think that I expressed any opinion on this but only stated facts.

Bruce this is what I was saying.  Sorry I somehow managed to botch it up and expressed it in a confusing way.

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ChelseaFC | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 10 2014 5:57 PM

Disciple of Christ (doc):

Bruce Dunning:

Disciple of Christ (doc):
Seemed to be free less than a day as I had checked for free books earlier in the day and it didn't show up. later when I saw this post it was no longer free.  No complaints, just an observation.

This has happened in the past as well. There is no guarantee how long any resource will be offered for free. They want us to come back often and check. Smile

Bruce there is two  problem with this sort of thinking.

1. You can't be constantly coming back to the site during the day while you are at work, particularly if you are not in ministry and work a secular job - your employer doesn't pay you to be monitoring a web site during the day to see what free books you can pick up for your own personal benefit.  And even in ministry this sort of constant monitoring is not appropriate - you can't stop in the middle of a funeral and to check Vyrso site because it's been 3 hours since you lasted looked at it, and you don't want to miss out on the last free book.

2.  What about international customers do they have to constantly get up through the night to be regularly checking the site every few hours as they are on completely different time zones ?

Both scenarios point out why it is a ridiculous policy to put up a title on an offer for less than a full 24 hour cycle, it is just another case of very poor marketing by Logos that shows a lack of understanding of their customer if they think we have the time or opportunity to be constantly monitoring a website for special offers that don't last a full 24 hour cycle.

I just don't get how a company can see this as a way to engage customers positively. Confused  All it does is shows a complete lack of ignorance of reality, and can only server to result in the loss of customer goodwill.

PS Bruce I know you are just the messenger so my comments are not a slight against you.  Your posts are always made with the utmost desire to assist fellow users.  I just can't agree with you on this occasion.

I agree in general with what you both are saying. In fairness to Logos in this case, Logos did say that this was a 'limited offer' on Twitter.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 10 2014 8:51 PM

Bruce Dunning:

I wonder how this differs from the Logos editions?

I was about to say.  It seems I have 2 Logos editions.  I would've had 3 if I had jumped on this one on time, but is not free anymore.  It's ok though.  I haven't really used the 2 I already have, so a 3rd one would be almost unnecessary. 

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 12 2014 5:57 AM

ChelseaFC:
In fairness to Logos in this case, Logos did say that this was a 'limited offer' on Twitter.

Generally speaking all offers of free books are limited, with a few exceptions.  So I don't see how that resolves the issue with offers being available for less than a full 24hr cycle. Suggesting a full 24hr cycle does not remove the need for the offer to be limited. Logos have created this situation, it is only fair customers have the opportunity to provide them with feedback, even it if is negative - if they are serious about their customers they will want to hear honest feedback on what disengages customers rather than simply receiving high fives and pats on the back.

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ChelseaFC | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 12 2014 11:11 AM

Disciple of Christ (doc):

ChelseaFC:
In fairness to Logos in this case, Logos did say that this was a 'limited offer' on Twitter.

Generally speaking all offers of free books are limited, with a few exceptions.  So I don't see how that resolves the issue with offers being available for less than a full 24hr cycle. Suggesting a full 24hr cycle does not remove the need for the offer to be limited. Logos have created this situation, it is only fair customers have the opportunity to provide them with feedback, even it if is negative - if they are serious about their customers they will want to hear honest feedback on what disengages customers rather than simply receiving high fives and pats on the back.

DOC- You make a very persuasive case. Yes The issue does remain if Logos wants to make customers happy. Although, I wonder if it is totally up to them in every case on how long the free offers remain free. I know I've missed out before but I've just come to accept that this is the way that it'll be. If the policy changed or the books stayed available longer for more people to acquire than I would love that! Just my two pence.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 12 2014 11:29 AM

Vyrso free version:

THE

PILGRIM’S PROGRESS

IN THE SIMILITUDE OF A DREAM


The Jail

His outcry
As I walked through the wilderness of this world, I lighted on a certain place where was a den, and laid me down in that place to sleep; and as I slept, I dreamed a dream. I dreamed, and behold, I saw a man clothed with rags standing in a certain place, with his face from his own house, a book in his hand, and a great burden upon his back. I looked, and saw him open the book, and read therein; and as he read, he wept and trembled; and not being able longer to contain, he brake out with a lamentable cry, saying, What shall I do?
This world

He knows no way of escape as yet

Carnal physic for a sick soul
In this plight, therefore, he went home, and restrained himself as long as he could, that his wife and children should not perceive his distress; but he could not be silent long, because that his trouble increased. Wherefore at length he brake his mind to his wife and children; and thus he began to talk to them. O my dear wife, said he, and you the children of my bowels, I, your dear friend, am in myself undone by reason of a burden that lieth hard upon me; moreover, I am for certain informed that this our city will be burned with fire from heaven; in which fearful overthrow, both myself, with thee my wife, and you my sweet babes, shall miserably come to ruin, except (the which yet I see not) some way of escape can be found, whereby we may be delivered. At this his relations were sore amazed; not for that they believed that what he had said to them was true, but because they thought that some phrensy distemper had got into his head; therefore, it drawing towards night, and they hoping that sleep might settle his brains, with all haste they got him to bed. But the night was as troublesome to him as the day; wherefore, instead of sleeping, he spent it in sighs and tears. So when the morning was come, they would know how he did. He told them, Worse and worse: he also set to talking to them again; but they began to be hardened. They also thought to drive away his distemper by harsh and surly carriages to him: sometimes they would deride, sometimes they would chide, and sometimes they would quite neglect him. Wherefore he began to retire himself to his chamber, to pray for and pity them, and also to condole his own misery; he would also walk solitarily in the fields, sometimes reading, and sometimes praying: and thus for some days he spent his time.
Now I saw, upon a time, when he was walking in the fields, that he was (as he was wont) reading in his book, and greatly distressed in his mind; and as he read, he burst out as he had done before, crying, What shall I do to be saved?
I saw also that he looked this way, and that way, as if he would run; yet he stood still, because (as I perceived) he could not tell which way to go. I looked then, and saw a man named Evangelist coming to him, and asked, Wherefore dost thou cry?
He answered, Sir, I perceive, by the book in my hand, that I am condemned to die, and after that to come to judgment; and I find that I am not willing to do the first, nor able to do the second.
Then said Evangelist, Why not willing to die, since this life is attended with so many evils? The man answered, Because I fear that this burden that is upon my back will sink me lower than the grave, and I shall fall into Tophet. And, sir, if I be not fit to go to prison, I am not fit to go to judgment, and from thence to execution; and the thoughts of these things make me cry.


John Bunyan, Pilgrim’s Progress: One Man's Search for Eternal Life--a Christian Allegory (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1999).

Older Logos version:

As I walked through the wilderness of this world, I lighted on a certain place where was a den, and laid me down in that place to sleep; and as I slept, I dreamed a dream. I dreamed, and behold, I saw a man clothed with rags, standing in a certain place, with his face from his own house, a book in his hand, and a great burden upon his back. Isa 64:6; Luke 14:33; Psalm 38:4. I looked and saw him open the book, and read therein; and as he read, he wept and trembled; and not being able longer to contain, he brake out with a lamentable cry, saying, “What shall I do?” Acts 2:37; 16:30; Habak 1:2, 3.
In this plight, therefore, he went home, and restrained himself as long as he could, that his wife and children should not perceive his distress; but he could not be silent long, because that his trouble increased. Wherefore at length he brake his mind to his wife and children; and thus he began to talk to them: “O, my dear wife,” said he, “and you the children of my bowels, I, your dear friend, am in myself undone by reason of a burden that lieth hard upon me; moreover, I am certainly informed that this our city will be burnt with fire from heaven; in which fearful overthrow, both myself, with thee my wife, and you my sweet babes, shall miserably come to ruin, except (the which yet I see not) some way of escape can be found whereby we may be delivered.” At this his relations were sore amazed; not for that they believed that what he had said to them was true, but because they thought that some frenzy distemper had got into his head; therefore, it drawing towards night, and they hoping that sleep might settle his brains, with all haste they got him to bed. But the night was as troublesome to him as the day; wherefore, instead of sleeping, he spent it in sighs and tears. So when the morning was come, they would know how he did. He told them, “Worse and worse:” he also set to talking to them again; but they began to be hardened. They also thought to drive away his distemper by harsh and surly carriage to him; sometimes they would deride, sometimes they would chide, and sometimes they would quite neglect him. Wherefore he began to retire himself to his chamber to pray for and pity them, and also to condole his own misery; he would also walk solitarily in the fields, sometimes reading, and sometimes praying: and thus for some days he spent his time.
Now I saw, upon a time, when he was walking in the fields, that he was (as he was wont) reading in his book, and greatly distressed in his mind; and as he read, he burst out, as he had done before, crying, “What shall I do to be saved?” Acts 16:30, 31.
I saw also that he looked this way, and that way, as if he would run; yet he stood still because (as I perceived) he could not tell which way to go. I looked then, and saw a man named Evangelist coming to him, and he asked, “Wherefore dost thou cry?”
He answered, “Sir, I perceive, by the book in my hand, that I am condemned to die, and after that to come to judgment, Heb. 9:27; and I find that I am not willing to do the first, Job 10:21, 22, nor able to do the second.” Ezek. 22:14.
Then said Evangelist, “Why not willing to die, since this life is attended with so many evils?” The man answered, “Because, I fear that this burden that is upon my back will sink me lower than the grave, and I shall fall into Tophet. Isa. 30:33. And Sir, if I be not fit to go to prison, I am not fit to go to judgment, and from thence to execution; and the thoughts of these things make me cry.”


John Bunyan, The Pilgrim’s Progress: From This World to That Which Is to Come (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1995).

I just grabbed the few paragraphs to offer comparison, you note that the lack of Biblical references (the baker intro tells that these references are often wrong and not useful). Bakers additions of headings are helpful (in light blue to show that not part of the actual text).

-Dan

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