What is the retail value of my collection?

I have been a Logos user since the early Ninties. since that time I have accumulated a huge. I'm almost 72, and my health is declining. I am planning on willing my collection to my church along with the desktop computer. I would like to know if Logos either has or can create a program, which will provide the retail value of my collection?

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Graham Criddle

I would contact Customer Services (https://www.logos.com/contact) and see if they can advise.

I am planning on willing my collection to my church along with the desktop computer

I suggest you ensure you discuss this aspect with them as Logos licences are linked to individuals as opposed to a group

Matthew C Jones

I am planning on willing my collection to my church along with the desktop computer.

According to the End User License Agreement the software license can only be held by a person. Unless Logos chooses to change that in the future a church can not have the library.

I do wish there were a way to tabulate the total retail cost of one's Logos library/

Doc B

I am planning on willing my collection to my church

Gary, two suggestions: (1) Call Logos customer service, and talk to them about this; an (2) don't take any legal advice from the Forums. Make sure you CYA (call your attorney) on this; there will likely be numerous ways you can gift/will the software to your church that meet the license agreement and makes Logos (the company) happy.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591413#Comment_591413

(call your attorney

Ask your attorney if you need the EULA override in writing. It would be a shame to rely on a Customer Service phone call you can not substantiate. Worse yet, it would be a shame for the benefactor to discover that.

If I could successfully get a waiver I'd leave my library to a Bible college.

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591422#Comment_591422

There are over 7,400 resources in my collection, and high priced ones at that. It will be a shame if I cannot receive a tax deduction for my collection, which I considier one of my most valuable resources. I have aleady given my hard back copies to the church, which amounted to several thousand dolllars in value. However, my Logos collection far exceeds that. The EULA would be a MAJOR reason to purchase hardback instead of electronic copies.

Robert Harner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591426#Comment_591426

It will be a shame if I cannot receive a tax deduction for my collection, which I considier one of my most valuable resources.

It has been a few years since I prepared tax returns professionally, but when giving something to charity you don't get a deduction on the retail value, you get a deduction on its current value or your basis (what you paid for it) whichever is less.

One advantage of paper books is I can loan them out, an advantage of electronic copies is I get them much cheaper. There is a trade off.

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591435#Comment_591435

My Logos collection was not cheap paperbacks. Since December 2000 my orders totaled $11,800, and you can add many thousands of dollars from the early Nineties until December 2000.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591426#Comment_591426

There are over 7,400 resources in my collection, and high priced ones at that. It will be a shame if I cannot receive a tax deduction for my collection, which I considier one of my most valuable resources.

I am coming at this issue from the opposite direction. I want my library valued at pennies on the dollar so the benefactor does not incur any tax liability. I presently have 14,600+ resources. Many are premium titles. I hate to think of someone selling off my library piecemeal. I want to leave it to someone who appreciates it like I do.

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591442#Comment_591442

I haven't the slightest concern my church would sell off my collection piecemeal.. However, that would almost certainly happen if I have to break the collection up, and will it to individuals. The big questions i have are: 1) what advantage does Logos gain by not allowing a transfer to a church or seminary? 2) has Logos sold copies previously to churches, seminaries, or libaries?

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591422#Comment_591422

While I fully understand the reasoning behind the EULA, I do also think it is absurd on a practical level. The idea that my two kids can't use my library is over-the-top ridiculous. I know Bob isn't a hyper-stickler on this and that it is a legal and contractual and self-protection issue, but let's just go back about 20 years--remember the home library bookshelf?. Bob's hypothetical about a husband and wife who both do "churchy" stuff needing to have their own accounts and libraries...okay, I sorta get that--up to a point. Where it really breaks down for me is in the very pricey multi-volume resources. Mr. buys AYBD...and Mrs. can't use it? She buys ICC...and Mr. can't use it? That is blindingly absurd.

Bob has acknowledged that EULAs are pretty much honor system documents in the best case scenario. I think most of us on the forum want to be honorable. Okay, fine so far. But lets acknowledge a few more things. When I finally check-out of the daily grind, my Library will probably be 98 to 99% untouched. Why? Because I'm buying things not because I need them, but because I might need them, or to be even more specific because I might encounter a reference or search that might link to this or that. In other words, I and quite a few others are forking over TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS for tons of stuff that we will never, ever use. Now, that's a pretty good gig, if you can get it. I'm not suggesting that Logos is rolling in a high double-digit profit margin, but they are making pretty good coin selling tons of stuff that their customers will never use. Since that is the case, I think it is only reasonable that the EULA be revisited in some form. Just how it might take shape, I can't really say, but I think there ought to be a mechanism for a family use license.

Right now, neither of my kids is begging me to use my Logos Library, but in the next few years I hope/expect that will change. I really don't see why I should have to tell them "get your own" when it comes to the multi-five-digit dollar library I have amassed over the years as a loyal Logos customer. I'm not saying they should get a fully free ride as adults, but neither do I believe they should have to replicate dollar-for-dollar the expense that I've laid out to attain what I've got. Especially since if what I have was in analog form, they could just go to the shelf at will and read, study, and research at their pleasure. Please, don't regurgitate to me the obvious...I know that electronic resources are different. But the EULA wasn't written in stone by the finger of God. It was devised at a particular point in history to get everyone over a particular transitional bump in the road from analog to digital. The landscape isn't quite the same and I don't think the same CYA (cover your assets) approach is necessary for the publishers or the value-added middlemen (such as Logos), at least not in the same way to the same degree.

A point I've made numerous times on these forums is that hyperlinks and digital search have created an entirely different kind of consumer of the niche products that Logos and it kin produce. Very, very few of us would have bought personal libraries numbering into the thousands and even tens of thousands of resources if not for the hyperlink and digital search function that was birthed in the last 2-3 decades. Bob, to his credit, has managed to transition written digital matter from products (i.e. individual items) per se into commodities (i.e. bulk purchases) with a fair degree of success, but I still feel there is a long way to go in this arena. I think Bob will continue to move in that direction, because I think he realizes that bulk sales generate more revenue than hand-picked sales do. One of the reasons, due to our underlying motivation to have an ever larger search pool for our searches, is that customers who buy in bulk tend to be customers who continue to see both value and need to buy in bulk. The customer who buys half-a-dozen hand-picked titles is more likely to take his haul and walk away in contentment.

My point is this...the fact that many Logos customers speak about their Logos "habit" speaks to a circumstance that deserves consideration. Yes, for some it really is a typical psychological glitch, i.e. an addiction, a manifestation of consumerism run amok. But many are just trying to incorporate and make use of the digital leverage Logos resources provide. We are repeat customers. Frankly, I think we deserve a EULA option that doesn't expect us, having already doled out tens of thousand of dollars, to turn around and do it all again just so a family member can "go to the shelf" and do a verse or topic search in NICOT and Hermeneia.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591446#Comment_591446

1) what advantage does Logos gain by not allowing a transfer to a church or seminary?

I can't think of any reason to keep seminaries or colleges from having it. A church office setting would probably be viewed as a professional situation.

2) has Logos sold copies previously to churches, seminaries, or libaries?

I don;t know of any such practice but I did find one seminary that had Logos listed in their library holdings. Remember, not everything that is doable is allowable.

I wish Logos would offer a site license so school libraries and churches could buy in.

Willard Scott

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591446#Comment_591446

what advantage does Logos gain by not allowing a transfer to a church or seminary?

It's about the Money, Lebowski.!

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591454#Comment_591454

I'm sure it could be done, but it would have to be a totally different animal than what currently exists. The log-in procedure would have to have a time or location key so that students couldn't just go home and log into the library's account on Biblia forever without paying a cent.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591461#Comment_591461

Just as some resources can't be enabled for mobile use, many are probably specifically excluded from a sharing set-up. Logos' hands may be tied.

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591461#Comment_591461

Another feature I think should be added to our Logos collections is the ability to loan out non-reference titles for up to 30 days. It is my understanding Amazon e-books currently have this feature.

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591461#Comment_591461

I'm sure it could be done, but it would have to be a totally different animal than what currently exists. The log-in procedure would have to have a time or location key so that students couldn't just go home and log into the library's account on Biblia forever without paying a cent.

The library could be locked to one computer.

Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591450#Comment_591450

Sigh...David, your post...is exactly my position! Did you copy this from me?

While I fully understand the reasoning behind the EULA, I do also think it is absurd on a practical level. The idea that my two kids can't use my library is over-the-top ridiculous. I know Bob isn't a hyper-stickler on this and that it is a legal and contractual and self-protection issue, but let's just go back about 20 years--remember the home library bookshelf?. Bob's hypothetical about a husband and wife who both do "churchy" stuff needing to have their own accounts and libraries...okay, I sorta get that--up to a point. Where it really breaks down for me is in the very pricey multi-volume resources. Mr. buys AYBD...and Mrs. can't use it? She buys ICC...and Mr. can't use it? That is blindingly absurd.

Bob has acknowledged that EULAs are pretty much honor system documents in the best case scenario. I think most of us on the forum want to be honorable. Okay, fine so far. But lets acknowledge a few more things. When I finally check-out of the daily grind, my Library will probably be 98 to 99% untouched. Why? Because I'm buying things not because I need them, but because I might need them, or to be even more specific because I might encounter a reference or search that might link to this or that. In other words, I and quite a few others are forking over TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS for tons of stuff that we will never, ever use. Now, that's a pretty good gig, if you can get it. I'm not suggesting that Logos is rolling in a high double-digit profit margin, but they are making pretty good coin selling tons of stuff that their customers will never use. Since that is the case, I think it is only reasonable that the EULA be revisited in some form. Just how it might take shape, I can't really say, but I think there ought to be a mechanism for a family use license.

Right now, neither of my kids is begging me to use my Logos Library, but in the next few years I hope/expect that will change. I really don't see why I should have to tell them "get your own" when it comes to the multi-five-digit dollar library I have amassed over the years as a loyal Logos customer. I'm not saying they should get a fully free ride as adults, but neither do I believe they should have to replicate dollar-for-dollar the expense that I've laid out to attain what I've got. Especially since if what I have was in analog form, they could just go to the shelf at will and read, study, and research at their pleasure. Please, don't regurgitate to me the obvious...I know that electronic resources are different. But the EULA wasn't written in stone by the finger of God. It was devised at a particular point in history to get everyone over a particular transitional bump in the road from analog to digital. The landscape isn't quite the same and I don't think the same CYA (cover your assets) approach is necessary for the publishers or the value-added middlemen (such as Logos), at least not in the same way to the same degree.

A point I've made numerous times on these forums is that hyperlinks and digital search have created an entirely different kind of consumer of the niche products that Logos and it kin produce. Very, very few of us would have bought personal libraries numbering into the thousands and even tens of thousands of resources if not for the hyperlink and digital search function that was birthed in the last 2-3 decades. Bob, to his credit, has managed to transition written digital matter from products (i.e. individual items) per se into commodities (i.e. bulk purchases) with a fair degree of success, but I still feel there is a long way to go in this arena. I think Bob will continue to move in that direction, because I think he realizes that bulk sales generate more revenue than hand-picked sales do. One of the reasons, due to our underlying motivation to have an ever larger search pool for our searches, is that customers who buy in bulk tend to be customers who continue to see both value and need to buy in bulk. The customer who buys half-a-dozen hand-picked titles is more likely to take his haul and walk away in contentment.

My point is this...the fact that many Logos customers speak about their Logos "habit" speaks to a circumstance that deserves consideration. Yes, for some it really is a typical psychological glitch, i.e. an addiction, a manifestation of consumerism run amok. But many are just trying to incorporate and make use of the digital leverage Logos resources provide. We are repeat customers. Frankly, I think we deserve a EULA option that doesn't expect us, having already doled out tens of thousand of dollars, to turn around and do it all again just so a family member can "go to the shelf" and do a verse or topic search in NICOT and Hermeneia.

Schezic

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591426#Comment_591426

It will be a shame if I cannot receive a tax deduction for my collection

I share your advanced age. When i ponder my mortality, Tax deductions are nowhere near the top of the priority list. [:D]

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591479#Comment_591479

It will be a shame if I cannot receive a tax deduction for my collection
I share your advanced age. When i ponder my mortality, Tax deductions are nowhere near the top of the priority list.

It's for my wife's benefit, not me.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591479#Comment_591479

Schezic, you certainly fooled me (which isn't too hard). I'd have put you at maybe 35. 40 tops. True, your handle predates me a bit.

But at the rate I'm thoroughly enjoying my iPad mini, I'd bet my Logos5 is going to bite the dust. It's kind of like a car that successfully got me down the road, and I'm thankful for that. I'll probably do a $20 transfer to hopefully a college lady that's the immensely curious sort.

Schezic

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591482#Comment_591482

I'll probably do a $20 transfer to hopefully a college lady that's the immensely curious sort.

Great. That will probably net a $3 deduction for your estate. [:D]

Schezic

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591484#Comment_591484

For those of you needing a worthy cause to donate your libraries to, I have just formed the Schezic Scholastic Society. That should wrinkle a nose at the good ol' IRS.[:P]

Robert Harner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591486#Comment_591486

For those of you needing a worthy cause to donate your libraries to, I have just formed the Schezic Scholastic Society. That should wrinkle a nose at the good ol' IRS.

You better tell them you prefer coffee over tea [;)]

Willard Scott

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591487#Comment_591487

Robert;

That is awesome facial hair. I truly am impressed. I must admit to a sick fantasy. I would love to see a picture of you , Clean shaven, With the beard on top of your head.! Anyone good with photoshop? [:D][:P]

Robert Harner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591493#Comment_591493

Robert;

That is awesome facial hair. I truly am impressed. I must admit to a sick fantasy. I would love to see a picture of you , Clean shaven, With the beard on top of your head.! Anyone good with photoshop?

Willard, I do have a picture of myself from just a few years ago clean shaven

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591426#Comment_591426

Depending upon when you became a Logos user and made your major purchases, the total at the end of your order history page is a legitimate estimate.

Willard Scott

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591495#Comment_591495

Willard, I do have a picture of myself from just a few years ago clean shaven

Thanks;

That should make the photoshopping much easier.

Seriously, You were an extremely handsome young man. Thanks for not being offended at my sick sense of humor. [:D]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591500#Comment_591500

Depending upon when you became a Logos user and made your major purchases, the total at the end of your order history page is a legitimate estimate.

If I had to rebuild my library at today's retail prices it would cost several multiples of my account sum total.

On the other hand, If I tried to sell my library on the open market I would e lucky to get 25% of my account sum total..

Robert Harner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591502#Comment_591502

Willard, I do have a picture of myself from just a few years ago clean shaven

Thanks;

That should make the photoshopping much easier.

Seriously, You were an extremely handsome young man. Thanks for not being offended at my sick sense of humor.

At my age I don't offend easy.

Wait a minute . . . I was handsome??? [:O]

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591500#Comment_591500

Depending upon when you became a Logos user and made your major purchases, the total at the end of your order history page is a legitimate estimate.

Your comment ignores the purchases I made from the early Nineties untill 12/2000, which would exclude hall the value of my collection.

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591510#Comment_591510

Wait a minute . . . I was handsome???

Very few of us retain our youthful charm. [;)]

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591519#Comment_591519

If you are going for maximum deductible, you should try to figure out the absolute maximum value of your library. By which I mean the number circled in the image below

If you can figure that number out for ALL of your packages, then that would seem like a better deduction

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591538#Comment_591538

If you can figure that number out for ALL of your packages, then that would seem like a better deduction

But that doesn't account for inflation.

Robert Harner

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591539#Comment_591539

If you can figure that number out for ALL of your packages, then that would seem like a better deduction
But that doesn't account for inflation.

It's a better deduction until after the audit.

Alas, the IRS doesn't account for inflation either.

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591450#Comment_591450

While I fully understand the reasoning behind the EULA, I do also think it is absurd on a practical level. The idea that my two kids can't use my library is over-the-top ridiculous.

I do not think Logos objects to your kids using your library while they are your dependents living in your house. As you note, Bod is not a stickler for the absurd.

However, there is nothing absurd in saying once your kids are grown, living on their own, they cannot regularly use your Logos, as if they were co-owners. That is simply business,and as it should be. At least, no more than one person should use it at a time. After all, everyone could not have the same paper book at the same time.

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591500#Comment_591500

Depending upon when you became a Logos user and made your major purchases, the total at the end of your order history page is a legitimate estimate.

True, but for those of us who were buying Logos resources more than 18 years ago, it is not at all an accurate estimate, as early purchases are not included.

Mike Childs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591509#Comment_591509

If I had to rebuild my library at today's retail prices it would cost several multiples of my account sum total.

On the other hand, If I tried to sell my library on the open market I would e lucky to get 25% of my account sum total..

That is frustrating for those selling. However, it is equally true for paper books, as well as Logos books. I tend to buy expensive sets of paper books that I want used off of Amazon or Ebay to save money. That is how I have collected paper copies of the Bicentennial Edition of The Works of John Wesley, for example, and it has saved me hundreds of dollars.

Many times a $100 plus paper book can be bought for $25 or less in excellent condition used.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591549#Comment_591549

Many times a $100 plus paper book can be bought for $25 or less in excellent condition used.

And yet if you try to sell that same $100+ paper book to a used bookstore with a "we buy books" sign out front, you're lucky if you get $5-10 for it. They need to make a profit to stay in business.

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591545#Comment_591545

While I fully understand the reasoning behind the EULA, I do also think it is absurd on a practical level. The idea that my two kids can't use my library is over-the-top ridiculous.

I do not think Logos objects to your kids using your library while they are your dependents living in your house. As you note, Bod is not a stickler for the absurd.

However, there is nothing absurd in saying once your kids are grown, living on their own, they cannot regularly use your Logos, as if they were co-owners. That is simply business,and as it should be. At least, no more than one person should use it at a time. After all, everyone could not have the same paper book at the same time.

My kids are young adults. I have no problem encouraging them to get their own base packages for their own study and use. They could thus make and keep their own set of notes in their own Logos library set. But I really do not see why they should have to replicate all of my resources. Say they own some of the Lexham Study Guides and one of them mentions a relevant item in NICNT. It really shouldn't be a problem for them to use my account to access that resource. Sure, I could "allow" them to do it as it stands, but I shouldn't have a perpetual ethical cloud hanging over my head as to whether I am honoring some software agreement according to Hoyle just because I'm letting my kids use my top-end, multi-thousand dollar software titles...I don't care how old they are. The EULA is an agreement...but it is also a decision based on a variety of circumstances and considerations, and like all such agreements, it is subject to change. I think, and have always thought, that single-user agreements for dozens of multi-volume resources is crazy insane...ridiculous in the extreme. I signed on because of the power and possibilities in the program, but my wanting to utilize that program power set is not inherently dependent upon the particular EULA that is in effect. It can be modified (which Logos is pretty much free to do at will).

Years 3-4 years back, I suggested that resources with price tags that cross a certain theoretical limit (and there could be a series of steps based on increasing cost) would not be purchased wholly by one single individual, but would be purchased in a "share" format. For instance, a $500 commentary collection would be purchased by two customers for $250 each. In practice, the price would be $250 for the customer--thus Logos would, for accounting purposes with the publisher, consider two customer purchases to be one complete resource purchase. The reason I think this is a fair scenario is because it is just a lot closer to how high ticket library items get used in the "non digital" world. In practice, I suspect that this would end up with Logos making more sales overall, because as the individual customer's finances get stretched much further and they are able to acquire 2 to 3 to 4 times as many resources for the same amount of money, they are creating a library that is all the more leveraged to do more and more powerful work. It is quite likely that customers will spend at least as much as they would have spent before, but because they have made "shared" purchases, their libraries will be that much more powerful and that much more utilitarian and capable of amazing results. Each person who has a library that makes them a "power user" will be far more likely to see a need to continue investing in that library...

...but...and this is a but I think about all the time...if no one else can use my library, and I know I am buying resources I will never use, the law of diminishing returns will kick in and I will just quit at some point. Call it self-serving if you like, but I am convinced that Logos and all of its partner publishers will benefit by loosening the EULA confinements and rapidly commoditizing the resources being offered. In other words, make stuff cheaper and open, and I for one (and others, I suspect) will continue to increase my library's leverage with new purchases.

I will be far more likely to get the "big daddy whole library bundles" by Baker, Fortress Press, and Zondervan, etc., if I know my kids might get around to reading them at some point if I don't. It really is the difference between making a sale or not making a sale.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591560#Comment_591560

but my wanting to utilize that program power set is not inherently dependent upon the particular EULA that is in effect.

You don't have the right to unilaterally change the terms of the EULA. Each of us has a price on our conscience. At what price point will one break their word? How cheaply will one sell their honour?

David Paul

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591569#Comment_591569

You misunderstand what I'm saying there. I'm saying there is nothing sacrosanct about the wording of the EULA...it is subject to change. I'm not saying I can dispense with it at will. If I felt that way, I wouldn't even bother posting my opinions to the forum because I could easily do whatever I felt like doing whenever I wanted...EULA be hanged. I am making the point about the malleability of the EULA because there is a cadre of ARs out there (they are everywhere) who view such things are gilded gods that must be worshiped forever. Someone was on the forum not that long ago regurgitating the "swearing to one's hurt" mantra regarding CPs and other concerns, irrespective of the fact that CPs are not contracts until they go into production, and in reality it isn't even a contract then. A statement was made about "not changing" once a position had been taken. I pointed out that Mr. Commitment, on his own principle, could never take advantage of any sale or sale price ever, since there is an original price that was already considered "established" before any sale can go into effect. I don't remember him coming around after that...

Anyway, my point is simple. The EULA as it stands now was written at a time when most everything Logos was doing was an experiment. Even though it may not seem like all that long ago, in today's digital culture, cycles occur at a dizzying pace and things really do change with time. To get a monolithic dinosaur like the print publishing world to make the jump to the digital age, Bob designed an agreement that seemed to offer them protection AND at the same time introduced an idea that no doubt appealed to the publishers...one-to-one correspondence between purchaser and user, i.e. single user. That may have great appeal, but it is entirely disconnected from historical usage patterns, and in my opinion, common sense. Because the resources are digital, licensing has been activated as a way of protecting the content providers, which is understandable. But the contractual aspect of the transaction also gives the seller way more power than is typical of most transactions. In such scenarios, it is rather common for the language to favor the seller. My point is, it may have seemed necessary and enticing to limit the purchase of resources to a single user, but I really don't think it makes a lot of sense...at least not with the business model more mature and Logos's place in it comfortably assured. By loosening the bridle a bit, the horse will be free to run faster.

(oh, since I am sure to be asked...ARs means "anal retents"...the fastidious types who have to adhere to every perceived rule no matter how absurd or detrimental...the types who might hide a Jew in the floor, but would confess if asked by a Nazi if they knew where any Jews were because "they cannot tell a lie".)

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591578#Comment_591578

By loosening the bridle a bit, the horse will be free to run faster.

If Logos wants to revise the EULA it is probably fine with me. If not, I will still abide by it.

Paul C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591578#Comment_591578

I am sure to be asked...ARs means "anal retents"...the fastidious types who have to adhere to every perceived rule no matter how absurd or detrimental...the types who might hide a Jew in the floor, but would confess if asked by a Nazi if they knew where any Jews were because "they cannot tell a lie".)

Now i see why you hold Osteen's illustrations in such high regard. [:D]

Kent

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591457#Comment_591457

It's about the Money, Lebowski.!

Its Dude!

Gary Butner, Th.D.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591569#Comment_591569

I agree we don't have a right to unilaterally change EULA. That said, all successful relationships are based on respect, with honor being a two way street.

Gary Butner

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591606#Comment_591606

Now Gary. First, you've got another solid 30 years ahead of you. Don't underestimate the one who made us.

And secondly, MJ kindly instructed her dog to not go sniffing around the forum for a while. '.... all successful relationships are based on ...'?? Really. After 71 years?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591610#Comment_591610

OT but somewhat relevant. A poet friend just celebrated his 80th birthday quipped that he didn't know what to do as everyone knows the best poets die young. I pointed out that my mother who wrote poetry in her younger days has switched her creative efforts to writing her 100th birthday speech imparting wisdom gleaned over the years. She suggests it might be very short - itself a bit of wisdom she's learned. She only has 10 months left to write it. Got a good laugh out of my 80 year old friend. As for a young one like you Gary . . .I fear most of my generation in my family has many years on you ...

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591614#Comment_591614

Indeed - mine too Martha. My grandparents passed in their 90s. My grandmother of the results of abusing her lungs with cigarettes, and my grandfather of cancer.

I have an aunt that lived to 110...

I was quite impressed that my grandmother lived to her 90s and still had her original hair color.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591616#Comment_591616

my grandmother lived to her 90s and still had her original hair color

It's amazing what they can do nowadays in hair salons to match your original color with dyes. [;)]

abondservant

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/591619#Comment_591619

haha, you'd think... But no.

I took care of her for her final years and I can vouch for her lack of use of hair product... and salons for that matter.