What does "Unknown Character" mean in BHS Apparatus Criticus?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, May 5 2014 8:11 PM

I searched and found there are 11 occurrences of this in the resource:

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 5 2014 8:13 PM

I've assumed that it means unreadable or unassumable from its fragments.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 5 2014 8:14 PM

Just a wild guess... the character is unknown. Stick out tongue

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 5 2014 8:27 PM

Very funny, Alabama. Unknown because unreadable in the manuscript? Or unknown because it is a character that we don't recognize (only occurs here, for example) and thus don't know the meaning of?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 5 2014 9:10 PM

unknown as in unreadble/unassumable from visible fragments/untranscribable after all due diligence - differs from missing character(s) in that an attempt to write a grapheme is discernable rather than the base medium being absent.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 6 2014 2:32 AM

Rosie Perera,

                My first guess was that the "Unknown Character" message in the SESB electronic edition of the apparatus seems to represent places in the printed edition of the BHS were either  an unidentifiable sigla /mark was used are where siglum with unknown meanings were used in the apparatus of the BHS. It might also be were there is simple no unicode charater to represent the sigla / mark in question.

However now I am starting to believe that:

In the case of Job 5:10 the mark/sigla represents the 'Mugrash' accent mark on the word 'Mayim'. At, least it seems that way in the printed BHS and in another software I have access to (it might also be representing a revia).

In the case of Jeremiah 47:6 the "unknown character" appears to be representing a Tipcha accent

In the case of Hosea 11:6 the " unknown character" appears to be represent an Ethnachta at least when I look at the printed edition it looks that way.

(I haven't had time check the rest of the search results yet)

Now, I really hope someone from Logos appears to clear this up. I am pretty sure that Mr. Vincent Setterholm would know the answer to this riddle.

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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 6 2014 11:35 AM

These looks like 'notes' made by whomever keyed in this text in essence saying 'I don't know how to encode this'. Unicode doesn't have instructions for 'spacing' versions of Hebrew accents, for example. I'll fix this when I update BHS SESB. Thanks for the report.

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Martin Grainger Dean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 6 2014 12:59 PM
Vincent Setterholm:
I'll fix this when I update BHS SESB.
Vince, that's great news!!! The apparatus needs to be updated too. When you'll have these on your radar? Martin.
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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 6 2014 2:06 PM

Thanks, BKMitchell and Vincent. I secretly thought I was onto something that wasn't supposed to be there. Glad to know it wasn't just illegible manuscripts.

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 6 2014 4:10 PM

Rosie Perera:

...I secretly thought I was onto something that wasn't supposed to be there...

Rosie,

          You were onto to something! You found something I am not sure if anyone other user has encountered in the apparatus before. Think about it these issues must have existed in life span of Libronix, Logos4, and now Logos5. Those who keyed in the Apparatus must have known about them, but with all Logos' other projects, this is probably an issue that had been forgotten for some time now. So, this is a great find and now it will finally be fixed sometime in the future.

Thank you!

חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 6 2014 5:47 PM

BKMitchell:
          You were onto to something! You found something I am not sure if anyone other user has encountered in the apparatus before. Think about it these issues must have existed in life span of Libronix, Logos4, and now Logos5. Those who keyed in the Apparatus must have known about them, but with all Logos' other projects, this is probably an issue that had been forgotten for some time now. So, this is a great find and now it will finally be fixed sometime in the future.

I have an uncanny knack for finding bugs. I never use the apparatus, don't know what 90% of it means. And the one day I peered into it, for some random reason (I can't even remember what it was now; oh yes, I was trying to find out why D-R translates Job 5:7a "Man is born to labour" when just about every other English translation I have translates that word "trouble" or "distress"), I found something that nobody else had recognized didn't belong there. It's like I'm a porch light that all the bugs swarm toward.

This is the story of my life. Seriously. Just about every time I use Logos I stumble across a bug or two that needs to be reported, hindering me from getting any real work done. It's such a pain. But I guess Logos benefits from getting all the bug reports.

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 5:10 PM

The "Unknown Character" issue in BHS apparatus...

has been fixed with an update from Logos on:

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 (U.S.A time) or on May 29 in the time zone where I live.

Once, again thank you Rosie Perera for starting this thread, and as always thank you  Vincent Setterholm for your swift response!

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 28 2014 5:44 PM

Rosie Perera:

I have an uncanny knack for finding bugs. I never use the apparatus, don't know what 90% of it means. And the one day I peered into it, for some random reason (I can't even remember what it was now; oh yes, I was trying to find out why D-R translates Job 5:7a "Man is born to labour" when just about every other English translation I have translates that word "trouble" or "distress"), I found something that nobody else had recognized didn't belong there. It's like I'm a porch light that all the bugs swarm toward.

This is the story of my life. Seriously. Just about every time I use Logos I stumble across a bug or two that needs to be reported, hindering me from getting any real work done. It's such a pain. But I guess Logos benefits from getting all the bug reports.

Thank God for you, Rosie. I feel your pain. I think Logos should pay you to be a beta tester / proof-reader, or they should recruit someone like you. Seriously.

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Martin Grainger Dean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 31 2014 4:16 AM
Vincent Setterholm:
I'll fix this when I update BHS SESB. Thanks for the report.
Thank you, Vince! But when the BHS SESB will be updated to logos4? Now we have BHSCAPP.logos4, but BHSSESB.lbxlls... Martin.
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