Venue 8 Pro and Logos 5

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Duane Erstad, Ph.D. | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, May 18 2014 5:50 PM

I have been using Logos 5 with a 32 GB Dell Venue 8 Pro with a large micro SD card for some weeks by this time. Rather to my surprise, this combination works really well. Bringing up Logos 5 is some slower than on my i5 750 desktop, but otherwise speed is hardly an issue. The Logos installation itself is on the 64 GB micro SD, which is still formatted as exFAT. True, indexing was a slow process at the beginning, but I haven't noticed any difficulties since that time. It seems to work as efficiently as on my desktop where there is an SSD and 12 GB of RAM. With an OTG cable, the Venue 8 Pro installation works well at 1080P on an external monitor with a Bluetooth keyboard and Bluetooth mouse along with a Plugable USB video adapter. I've heard that "soon" there will be a hardware solution to charge the tablet and connect it by wire to an external display, etc., at the same time. I find no difference between this setup and simply using a 1080P monitor with a desktop or laptop. Even now before charging and an external USB video connection can be done at the same time, the Venue's battery lasts for hours. (I also had a Netgear PTV 3000 and that is minimally functional with an external monitor, whether with Logos, the Venue 8 Pro, or my Nexus 4--it has never been worth the effort unfortunately.) I had been concerned about always needing a mouse or external keyboard with the Venue, especially without an external monitor. This, too, proves to be no problem. A no-cost piece of software called "touchmousepointer" seems to allow any fine movement, click, or change with the 8-inch touch screen. It is also possible to use Win 8's own virtual keyboard in English, Greek or Hebrew. It is  possible to double-click on a word as well as scroll through text--without any physical mouse. Thus I'm no longer tied to a desk for work in Greek and Hebrew with BDAG, TWNT and similar. I don't doubt that large and complex searches would become a challenge or perhaps unworkable with the 2 GB and other limitations of this setup, but it has proven to be far superior for original text work in comparison to anything that I can run in Android--on my phone. Thus I no longer have to switch between Logos and one of its competitors to work in original languages away from a desk. There's no problem double-clicking accurately anywhere on the screen and getting results from lexica in another column . Original text, English, and search are all easily readable in separate columns at the same time even on the Venue's touch screen. While many have reported that there's no difficulty running Microsoft Office on the Venue 8 Pro, my own experience is that Logos may run still better on this Win 8 tablet  and functions very smoothly. I chose this combination solely on the basis of price, but have to agree with others that the 8-inch unit may be pretty much the best size for work away from a desk. The installation would have been easier on a 64 GB Win 8 tablet, but actually running Logos 5 with 32 GB and an SD card proves to be no problem. Crystaldiskmark scores show that the SD card interface is limited to a speed of about 25, some slower than the internal eMMC, but this has proven to be no problem as I have used this. Few seem to be willing to take a chance on a 32 GB Venue 8 Pro and for this reason they are particularly inexpensive. Mine is a refurbished unit, but I have had ZERO problems with it. If price is a consideration, this combination is really worth considering. If I can help with making this work, just let me know.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 18 2014 6:04 PM

Duane,

Welcome to the forum.

I don't have a Dell Venue Pro 8, but I do have an Asus Vivotab Note 8. It has similar specs to your tablet. Your tablet has faster internal storage, but the Asus has a Wacom digitizer that I use heavily in Logos. But I agree with you that Logos on this type of a set up, and on a micro SD, works really well. I have my Logos installation on a 64 GB micro SD. I am really pleased with the performance. Windows tablets with the newer Bay Trail Atom processor work so much better than the Clover Trails of last year that there's really no comparison.

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Erik | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 18 2014 9:32 PM

I recently purchased a "scratch and dent" Dell Venue 8 Pro 64gb from the Dell Outlet.  It was listed at $229 plus an additional 20% off coupon.  I was nervous about its condition, but it is like new in every way.

I'm running Logos 5 on the internal memory (since it is my primary reason for owning the tablet) and I'm installing all other apps on the 64gb microSD.  My Logos files are approximately 35gb but I have about 8gb free for indexing.  It works wonderfully!  I couldn't be happier with it.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 7:20 AM

I got one too. Refurb for $199. Unbeatable bang for the buck. (64 GB ... So Logos and few other apps fit on main drive)

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 9:59 AM

What about this one instead?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457932,00.asp

Also which of the two units above will be soon outdated and which currently is the best please?  Doesnt Logos need a digitizer Bill?...I tend to think so on my overheating Surface Pro which I am eager to ditch.

I found this on one review

"The Dell Venue 8 Pro is a Windows 8.1 entry-level tablet that certainly corrects the problems that can crop up when from using mobile tablets like the iPad or Google Nexus families. But is it a replacement for a Windows laptop PC? On that, we're not so sure."

 

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 10:28 AM

JoshInRI:
Also which of the two units above will be soon outdated and which currently is the best please?  Doesnt Logos need a digitizer Bill?...I tend to think so on my overheating Surface Pro which I am eager to ditch.
A fellow on Amazon did an in-depth comparison of the 2 machines. He bought both and returned the Lenovo. The specs are almost identical. Of Course they will be outdated soon. The industry purposely designs them NOT to be future proof. Part of the price of admission. The Dell suits me better than a friends Surface Pro. Your mileage may vary. Big Smile

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 11:07 AM

I second Duane and Bill's experience.  I have the VivoTab Note 8 and the performance is a very pleasant surprise.  I actually bought a Dell Venue 8 also and felt that it had a better built, but decided to return it because that particular unit had a faulty microUSB port, and I opted for the Note 8's stylus.

I wasn't very impressed with the Note 8's stylus.  It is harder to use than I expected.  However, with Logos 5 the most mobile way to highlight text is with that stylus, and with some setting tweaks, it by and large works and allows me to select and highlight text.  The alternative would be to bring my bulky Microsoft bluetooth mouse around with me.

Duane / Bill -- Can you enlighten me how to connect either of these machines to a larger external monitor?  What connectors do I need to have?

Thanks,

Peter

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 11:23 AM

PL:
Duane / Bill -- Can you enlighten me how to connect either of these machines to a larger external monitor?  What connectors do I need to have?

Not either of Duane or Bill, but all you need is a USB Display Adapter.

Amazon has dozens to choose from.

"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 11:27 AM

Duane Erstad, Ph.D.:
I have been using Logos 5 with a 32 GB Dell Venue 8 Pro with a large micro SD card for some weeks by this time.

I have the same setup, I like it too.

"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."

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Ralph Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 5:16 PM

Paul C:

I got one too. Refurb for $199. Unbeatable bang for the buck. (64 GB ... So Logos and few other apps fit on main drive)

Wow! A tablet that runs L5 (and most other full blown Windows apps...Including Office and Photoshop) Will hold most Logos libraries with room for indexing. A quad core processor, and 10 hours of battery life. For less than $200? I gotta have one too ! Here are some comparisons to other well known tablets:

Geekbench 3 Results -

Device Single Core Multi Core
Dell Venue Pro 8 789 2525
Asus Nexus 7 622 1891
iPad mini 262 498
iPad 4th Gen 784 1427
Galaxy Note 10.1 392 1073
Amazon Kindle Fire 337 614
Acer Iconia W3 437 1106

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 5:27 PM

A few items worth mentioning that I've discovered through experimentation, all help to improve speed:

  • Format SD card to NTFS, 
  • Try and get a card at with at least twice as much space as the size of your Logos library. The indexer really likes the extra elbow room.
  • Buy the highest quality class 10 card you can afford. I noticed quite a difference between the Sandisk Ultra, the Extreme, and the Extreme Plus. With the latter being noticeably faster.

"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 5:34 PM

Do you think having Logos on an SD would benefit my situation? (Since I am able to get all the apps I need on the main drive) 

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 5:53 PM

I doubt it, because the internal eMMC is faster than a Class 10 microSD card. That said, on my Asus, there isn't much difference at all between running Logos from the internal drive vs. the microSD. I tried both.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 5:54 PM

I concur with Paul Golder's points.

SanDisk's branding of the microSD cards are very confusing. I've done some research. The Extreme Plus microSDXC UHS-I card is the fastest.

also, I opted to put Logos 5 and Office on the SSD to maximize the indexing performance of Logos. Indexing is very disk I/O intensive. I had to move the recovery partition to an external 8GB card to leave enough room for Logos to run indexing.

it runs like a charm!

Peter

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 6:11 PM

Bill Anderson:

I doubt it, because the internal eMMC is faster than a Class 10 microSD card. That said, on my Asus, there isn't much difference at all between running Logos from the internal drive vs. the microSD. I tried both.

Thanks for the input. Although the venue is not up to a race with my desktop. I find it totally acceptable. I am pleasantly surprised. A giant leap forward from the Atom processors in the netbooks.   I still have one of those loaded as well. It functions...just gives you a chance to take a sip of your coffee while it works.

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 6:13 PM

Paul C:
Do you think having Logos on an SD would benefit my situation? (Since I am able to get all the apps I need on the main drive) 

Bill's correct, the internal hard drive is almost always faster if you have the room for your library on it. 

That being said, if you have very little free space left on the internal SSD after installing Logos, you will notice vastly improved indexing speed with it on an SD card that has lots of free space.

"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 19 2014 6:17 PM

I did the same as Peter. I moved the recovery partition to a thumb drive. They had allocated almost 8GB to that partition. Having recovered that I have plenty of free space. Big Smile

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Schezic | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 20 2014 11:31 AM

This may be the most cost efficient portable device for L5. Beats surface hands down. Don't need to carry a fire extinguisher. Smile

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 20 2014 1:29 PM

Plus, remember that Office comes free on both of these machines.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 22 2014 7:24 AM

Schezic....its nice to see that you concur the Surface run hot.  I would love to buy a little 8 inch to go along with it but fear it will be soon outmoded the day after I buy it.  I am stuck with my physically hot original surface which is beyond warranty.  Sigh.

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