METADATA ERROR: a plea for the appearance of accuracy

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405
edited November 20 in English Forum

The following belong to the same series:

I am tired of having to test and check each new resource - the number of metadata errors that affect how the program works is discouraging.

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree this is still a problem, and it's quite annoying. Unfortunately I don't think posting about it in the General forum is going to get the complaint to the right people. An email might be in order at this point. Probably time to rattle Bob Pritchett's chain about metadata again anyway, since the Metadata correction proposals wiki page has been languishing with no Logos employee edits for 7 months since Hayley Price's last edit. It gets frustrating reporting these errors when they are going into a black hole.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    I've been getting faster action by reporting as a bug or in a product forum - several repaired within 48 hours. I meant to post in Logos 5 .... oops. But reporting in the proper channels has been a black hole for me.

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure, a single error can be reported and fixed quickly that way. But I doubt it's going to change anything about the process by which metadata is proofed before releasing new books. Then again, I doubt even me sending an email to Bob about that is going to change it. It's been a problem since forever, and I don't believe he really cares.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    But I doubt it's going to change anything about the process by which metadata is proofed

    Probably not ... but I have a plan to influence that. And so far, my average for success is slow but very positive.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,767

    MJ. Smith said:

    Probably not ... but I have a plan to influence that.

    You'll get Bob to take me up on my previous offer to correct the metadata? Tell him I'll accept resource credits.

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  • Unix
    Unix Member Posts: 2,192

    I don't buy all "new" Editions - they would just clutter my library!

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    Unix said:

    I don't buy all "new" Editions - they would just clutter my library!

    Unix, new in this case means new to my library not a modern translation. It happens to be translated earlier than most of the church fathers in my library. Whether or not it would be clutter in your library, you should still want it to work correctly for those for whom it is not clutter.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    You'll get Bob to take me up on my previous offer to correct the metadata? Tell him I'll accept resource credits.

    I'll keep that in mind - seriously.

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  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    I am tired of having to test and check each new resource - the number of metadata errors that affect how the program works is discouraging.

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    MJ. Smith said:

    The following belong to the same series:

    I think I've seen other volumes of that series that don't have any series tag at all. Which makes this bug (that Logos calls "by design") even more annoying: the series name is there in the citation, but you can't filter for it, because the citation is pretty much the only part of the metadata that the Library search function doesn't read.

    So while you're at it, Logos, please do a Cmd-F for "series" on http://wiki.logos.com/Metadata_correction_proposals and fix all the other missing series names at the same time.

    And please fix the bug that sorts series names on A, The etc on that word instead of the following. Titles sort correctly; it can't be any harder to make series sort correctly as well.

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  • Ken McGuire
    Ken McGuire Member Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭

    Not exactly an "error" but I was quite disappointed that many of the Athanasius volumes (Incarnation and Against the Arians) were not tagged by the author datatype...  Who would accept a Bible that only had page numbers?

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    Ken, report this as a bug in the Orthodox forum - I usually get quick action there on this sort of problem.

    I have been assured that the milestones will be added on a timely basis. from a Logos employee "The missing milestones in Athanasius are a major problem that will be corrected as soon as possible."

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  • Dylan Rondeau
    Dylan Rondeau Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,401

    fgh said:

    And please fix the bug that sorts series names on A, The etc on that word instead of the following. Titles sort correctly; it can't be any harder to make series sort correctly as well.

    This has been fixed in 5.2b Beta 2.

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  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    This has been fixed in 5.2b Beta 2.

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    Bug: Library sorting by series doesn't ignore leading articles like "The" should be updated as well.

    Since I'm not on beta, could you check that the fix works for French, German etc as well, and for both Title, Series, and Hidden Resources. I note that at least the following books that have language set to something other than English are all currently sorted on the article:

    • A New Hope for Lebanon
    • The Original Hebrew of a Portion of Ecclesiasticus: Vetus Latina
    • The Treatise on the Apostolic Tradition of St. Hippolytus of Rome, Bishop and Martyr: Latin
    • La ilíada (hidden)
    • L'Iliade (hidden)

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  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 11,969

    fgh said:

    Since I'm not on beta, could you check that the fix works for French, German etc as well

    Series titles are not tagged with a language (they're just plain text), so they will sort according to the rules of the current UI language.