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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jun 20 2014 7:07 PM

I'm really excited about Logos Mobile Ed! We have an incredible set of courses that just keeps growing.

We are pricing the Mobile Ed courses to be a great deal -- you're getting access to top seminary professors for a lot less than it would cost to audit a class, and you can learn anywhere, on your own schedule.

The best deal? Ben Witherington's course on Community Pricing, where the leading price is $105 for this large course, but where it's clear that it could go for as little as $50 if some more people sign up.

It would be great to see Community Pricing deliver this for a fraction of the regular cost, and while the $105 price is a great deal, it would be even better if twice as many people could get it for $50!

https://www.logos.com/product/42481/logos-mobile-education-nt221-the-wisdom-of-john-a-socio-rhetorical-commentary-on-johannine-literature

I have access to the internal Community Pricing numbers. I know that if this course gets the same number of bids as our most popular CP titles... it could go for a lot less than $50!

You may think you don't want to take a course.

But Logos Mobile Ed is more than video lectures:

- Each course includes a full transcript of each video segment right after the video. This aids those who prefer reading over listening, lets you search for things you heard to find them later, lets you highlight and annotate within the lecture, and lets you copy and share quotes from the lecture.

- Each course segment has Required Reading links and See Also links; it's a form of meta-commentary on the topic.

- There are screen casts showing how to use Logos Bible Software to do the study yourself. You can think of Mobile Ed as a Logos training tool, too.

This course is a great deal already, and if you bid you can make it even better!

-- Bob

* You MUST bid, in my personal opinion. You are not actually obligated. You just really should -- it is a great deal. :-)

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 20 2014 7:21 PM

I've been in on this since it came out, but I have a question. I know that there will be a written transcript. If someone wants to quote BW3 (or any other mEd instructor), what will the "bibliographic" info look like? Will the transcript be paginated or will it include a time stamp, or something else?

I would also like to see these regularly close in the $50 range as well. Yes

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 20 2014 9:57 PM

I'm in Bob. In addition, I'd really like to know when the apologetic courses will become available?

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JohnB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 20 2014 11:55 PM

Bob, it is a brilliant offer and especially for lay Christians like myserlf who have even more problems justifying purchases to their spouces than ministers do  8-) .  I was in from the start and would be even more delighted if it dropped down to $50.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 12:17 AM

Dear Bob,

Please do inform us which books Dr. Ben Witherington will use during his lectures so we wouldn't go "goo goo gaa gaa" ...

It is very important for us to have the books which he will use/discuss from..

Furthermore, please give us discount towards those books if we purchase Dr. Witherington's mobile ed.

Thank you.

ps: Dr. Moo's Romans' mobile ed came out after the sale Romans Commentaries ended. I think someone made a mistake internally and did the opposite. You could've had more sale on those Romans commentaries if you ended the sale after the Romans' mobile ed came out.

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James Milne Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 2:20 AM

It would be great if this goes through at this price! It would allow us to see what Mobile Ed is really like, and might whet our appetites for more modules.

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 4:00 AM

David Paul:
If someone wants to quote BW3 (or any other mEd instructor), what will the "bibliographic" info look like? Will the transcript be paginated or will it include a time stamp, or something else?

I don't know if this will help you, but I Have Douglas Moo's Romans course. There are no page numbers, the 4 search fields are Footnote text, Heading Text, Surface Text, and Large Text. There are no Indexes according to the About page.  If I copy a block of text the citation looks like this:

Paul’s Use of Old Testament Scripture

We remember that Paul’s overall purpose in Rom 9–11 is to try to show how the gospel he is preaching does indeed fulfill OT promises to Israel. It should be no surprise, therefore, that Rom 9–11 is filled with quotations of the OT. Indeed, one third of all of the quotations of the OT in Paul occur in these three chapters. It’s a fascinating thing to read Paul’s use of Scripture going back to the OT itself to see what’s going on there and compare them. Paul is reading Scripture in a certain way in the light of Christ to make sense of things for his Roman audience.
There are problems along the way, however, when we do that comparison. Sometimes we read what Paul says an OT verse is saying (or its significance and meaning), and we go back to the OT, and we don’t perhaps initially see as clearly that that’s what the OT text is indeed saying. This problem of the OT in the NT has been an enduring issue in the history of the Church. And while we can’t say a lot about the matter here, we want to at least touch on the issue in relationship to one quotation in Rom 9.


Douglas J. Moo, NT331 Book Study: Paul’s Letter to the Romans (Logos Mobile Education; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2014).

From the About Page, using SBL Handbook of Style, it shows this:

Moo, Douglas J. NT331 Book Study: Paul’s Letter to the Romans. Logos Mobile Education. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2014.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 6:31 AM

Thanks. It was curiosity more than anything, but I do expect that I will quote from this course here and there.

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 6:35 AM

I have also been in since the beginning, and I am very excited about this offering!

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 6:48 AM

I also have been in for a while

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 9:34 AM

Bob Pritchett:

It would be great to see Community Pricing deliver this for a fraction of the regular cost, and while the $105 price is a great deal, it would be even better if twice as many people could get it for $50!

https://www.logos.com/product/42481/logos-mobile-education-nt221-the-wisdom-of-john-a-socio-rhetorical-commentary-on-johannine-literature

Noticed $ 105 and $ 90 have peaks 88 %.  If enough bidders with amounts higher than $ 90 reduced their bids to $ 90, projected price would drop to $ 90 that could attract more bidders.

Bob Pritchett:
- Each course includes a full transcript of each video segment right after the video. This aids those who prefer reading over listening, lets you search for things you heard to find them later, lets you highlight and annotate within the lecture, and lets you copy and share quotes from the lecture.

Please add a line to Product Details:

Title: NT221 The Wisdom of John: A Socio-Rhetorical Commentary on Johannine Literature
Instructor: Ben Witherington III
Publisher: Lexham Press
Publication Date: 2014
Product Type: Logos Mobile Education
Resource Type: Lectures, Video
Courses: 1
Video Units: 13
1 video unit = 1 full hour of video course material
Transcripts: 1 Logos resource with ##,### words

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 9:57 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Noticed $ 105 and $ 90 have peaks 88 %.  If enough bidders with amounts higher than $ 90 reduced their bids to $ 90, projected price would drop to $ 90 that could attract more bidders.

This seems to be the prevailing belief.  On a recent thread this belief seems to be debunked.  Anyone want to comment?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 10:13 AM

Mark:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Noticed $ 105 and $ 90 have peaks 88 %.  If enough bidders with amounts higher than $ 90 reduced their bids to $ 90, projected price would drop to $ 90 that could attract more bidders.

This seems to be the prevailing belief.  On a recent thread this belief seems to be debunked.  Anyone want to comment?

Every bid amount above $ 90 is included in the $ 90 progress.  Reducing $ 105 bids to $90 would keep the $ 90 peak as is while reducing $ 105 progress.  Below 100 % coverage of estimated production costs, projected price shows bid amount with the most progress.  When community pricing has a closing bid date, projected price shows lowest amount across all bids that covers 100 % of estimated production costs.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 12:20 PM

Bob Pritchett:

It would be great to see Community Pricing deliver this for a fraction of the regular cost, and while the $105 price is a great deal, it would be even better if twice as many people could get it for $50!

https://www.logos.com/product/42481/logos-mobile-education-nt221-the-wisdom-of-john-a-socio-rhetorical-commentary-on-johannine-literature

I have access to the internal Community Pricing numbers. I know that if this course gets the same number of bids as our most popular CP titles... it could go for a lot less than $50!

I think it's a pure pipe dream to think this could ever sell for under $50, or even close to $50 for that matter, at least as CP is currently implemented. The main impediment is the time limit triggered between crossing the line and "price lock". While I have seen a few items display a significant drop in price after crossing the line, the current window of a couple of days to about a week just isn't enough time to allow this resource to reach the "desired target price" of $50. The reason is pretty simple...it will trigger the countdown with too much distance to be covered. If it crosses at $90 it probably won't make it to $60. It could, but it's not likely...unlessssss Logos decides to increase the simmer time to two weeks or even longer.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing the simmer time increased across the board, but especially for these mEd offerings. But I have a better idea, I think. Why not just set the price at the desired price point (i.e. PrePub) and just wait for it to cross the line? It seems to me that tons more people would have jumped on this if it had been set at $50 to start. Granted, whether that point was really viable may not have been evident at the get-go, but now that it appears to be possible, why not pick an interesting topic and give it a whirl? Try an OT topic, if you don't mind, to complement BW3's NT topic.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 1:40 PM

David Paul:
While I have seen a few items display a significant drop in price after crossing the line, the current window of a couple of days to about a week just isn't enough time

Personally wish for every Community Pricing to have 4 days after 100 % coverage to closure, which could be done by changing cutoff from Wednesday at Noon in Bellingham to Monday at Noon.

David Paul:
But I have a better idea, I think. Why not just set the price at the desired price point (i.e. PrePub) and just wait for it to cross the line?

Looking at pre-publications sorted by oldest => https://www.logos.com/products/search?Status=Pre-Pub&start=0&sort=oldest&pageSize=60 has an intriguing mix.  Perhaps some pre-publications that are gathering interest with less than 50 % of estimated production cost coverage could be converted to Community Pricing: e.g. Cascadia Syntax graphs of the Apostolic Fathers and Septuagint by Lexham Press.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 1:56 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Personally wish for every Community Pricing to have 4 days after 100 % coverage to closure, which could be done by changing cutoff from Wednesday at Noon in Bellingham to Monday at Noon.

Yes Yes Yes! Yes

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 2:11 PM

Bruce Dunning:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Personally wish for every Community Pricing to have 4 days after 100 % coverage to closure, which could be done by changing cutoff from Wednesday at Noon in Bellingham to Monday at Noon.

Yes Yes Yes! Yes

If you mean at least 4 days, then I fully agree. I see no harm in letting them go 2 weeks, especially since there are so many folks who still won't commit to bidding a CP until it has already crossed the line. Give folks who aren't forum hounds a chance to find these closing items.

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 3:17 PM

I'll look into word count... but online calculators report ~ 8,000 words per minute at average speed, so the transcript alone for 13 hours of video would be 104,000 words, which is something like a 300 page book.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 3:20 PM

Bob Pritchett:

 ~ 8,000 words per minute 

I think you meant "per hour". Embarrassed

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 5:25 PM

I just realized that it's kind of ironic that you guys are offering a course on John's Wisdom by Ben Witherington, but you don't offer his book John's Wisdom: A Commentary on the Fourth Gospel.  I know you would if you could, but it is still kind of odd.

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