GUI idea for parallel resources

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Greg Gray | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jan 6 2010 5:16 PM | Locked

One of the things that bothered me most about L4 when I first started the Beta was how everything important seemed to be grayed out.  Things like scroll bars, little arrows etc.  The GUI seemed very empty.

 

I've come to really appreciate this laid back GUI.  it is very uncluttered and I find now if I use L3 or any other bible software it is very "busy" and distracting.

In light of this, is it possible to not have such a big graphic for the new parallel resources?  I understand why the filter button is there - as it does tell you something (that filters are or aren't being used in this resources).  For Parallel resources however that graphic doesn't tell you anything.   Especially now that we will have parallel resources all over the place IMHO there is no need for a graphic (especially one that stands out so much).

 

Here is the way things currently are:

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Why couldn't we just have an arrow like this:

 

Again, since parallel resources are going to be all over the place, we would quickly learn what the little button is for and there would be no need for cluttering up the screen.

 

 

Just an idea.

By the way, I love the way these parallel resources work - great job logos team.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 5:57 PM | Locked

Greg Gray:
we would quickly learn what the little button is for and there would be no need for cluttering up the screen.

Another thing to consider, however, is that the Help file has to be able to refer to the element - difficult to do within the icon. IMHO, a major failing of the Help function is the graphics showing what is being refered to.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 5:59 PM | Locked

I'm afraid I disagree. Your mockup looks like a double arrow next to the highlighting icon. That's confusing. I'm happy with the way it is.

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Greg Gray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:18 PM | Locked

Mark Barnes:

I'm afraid I disagree. Your mockup looks like a double arrow next to the highlighting icon. That's confusing. I'm happy with the way it is.

 

I thought of that as well. How about this?

 

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Anthony Etienne | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:32 PM | Locked

Another thing to keep in mind is a program needs to be intuitive as well as being laid back. I like the graphic as it is, if it were just a chevron...It could be missed or miss-interpeted as something else.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:39 PM | Locked

I agree there needs to be a graphic for Parallel Resources.

Especially considering that not all resources are able to have Parallel resources associated with it.

It is helpful to know when a resource does or does not have them by the absence or presence of the icon.

I like the current icon fine. It is simple and communicates.

What will be interesting is to watch the fate of the Equivalent Resource icon associated with Greek and Hebrew Bibles.

How is this different from Parallel Resources?

Is it necessary?

Why the drop down shelf instead of the drop down list?

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:43 PM | Locked

Equivalent resources share the same surface text -- they aren't other texts with this reference, they're different views of the same text. (In this case the NA27.)

We use the alternate view because there are fewer of them (the NA27 is the biggest set), and to distinguish them, though we're open to feedback / ideas...

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:50 PM | Locked

With the new PRA menu in 4.0b, I think it would be best to integrate the two, and treat these equivalent texts as if they were in a special collection.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 6 2010 6:52 PM | Locked

Bob Pritchett:

Equivalent resources share the same surface text -- they aren't other texts with this reference, they're different views of the same text. (In this case the NA27.)

We use the alternate view because there are fewer of them (the NA27 is the biggest set), and to distinguish them, though we're open to feedback / ideas...

Thanks for the clarification.

Makes sense to me to keep the alternative view as a reminder of the difference between the two types of association.

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Jon | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 6:00 PM | Locked

Bob Pritchett:
We use the alternate view because there are fewer of them (the NA27 is the biggest set), and to distinguish them, though we're open to feedback / ideas...

If the point is to be able to distinguish between them wouldn't it be better to shrink the size of the book icon so that you can fit in all the text for the book's name?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 6:46 PM | Locked

Mark Barnes:

With the new PRA menu in 4.0b, I think it would be best to integrate the two, and treat these equivalent texts as if they were in a special collection.

I would prefer this. Integrating the two into the PRA menu makes for a cleaner interface and presentation. The huge icons and the ribbon for Equivalent Resources are out of place.

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Fred Greco | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 7:08 PM | Locked

Jon Rumble:

Bob Pritchett:
We use the alternate view because there are fewer of them (the NA27 is the biggest set), and to distinguish them, though we're open to feedback / ideas...

If the point is to be able to distinguish between them wouldn't it be better to shrink the size of the book icon so that you can fit in all the text for the book's name?

I agree completely.  It makes no sense to have a bunch of covers that all look the same, taking up all the space, while there are 3 or 4 "NA27..." resources.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 7:30 PM | Locked

Fred Greco:

Jon Rumble:

Bob Pritchett:
We use the alternate view because there are fewer of them (the NA27 is the biggest set), and to distinguish them, though we're open to feedback / ideas...

If the point is to be able to distinguish between them wouldn't it be better to shrink the size of the book icon so that you can fit in all the text for the book's name?

I agree completely.  It makes no sense to have a bunch of covers that all look the same, taking up all the space, while there are 3 or 4 "NA27..." resources.

You guys certainly have a point. The drop down menu of the Parallel Resource icon is certainly more informative than the shelf of the Equivalent Resource icon.

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Harry Hahne | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2010 10:16 AM | Locked

Fred Greco:

Jon Rumble:

Bob Pritchett:
We use the alternate view because there are fewer of them (the NA27 is the biggest set), and to distinguish them, though we're open to feedback / ideas...

If the point is to be able to distinguish between them wouldn't it be better to shrink the size of the book icon so that you can fit in all the text for the book's name?

I agree completely.  It makes no sense to have a bunch of covers that all look the same, taking up all the space, while there are 3 or 4 "NA27..." resources.

I also would like to see consistency in these 2 categories. I like the vertical list with a small icon and full title.

I also am not not sure if it is worth it to separate into 2 separate buttons. Perhaps one of the built in options on the Parallel Resources could be "Equivalent Text". Then a person could choose a collection or the built in Equivalent Text option to list.

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