Morris Proctor Training Manuals

Hi,

I have looked at these for some time now, and see that they are currently on sale, but shipping to Scotland is like $48.

Could someone tell me what page size the manuals are. Are they hard cover?

Is the content worth it, and extensive. It would end up costing me $83 shipped.

I do feel that there is much of logos 5I I don't use to its full potential, and wonder if these would be the way to go.

I appreciate any advice.

Blessings.

Duncan

Yes it will cost almost as much as half of the price.The cost of shipping is very expensive.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/630572#Comment_630572

The BIG questions are:

Why are these not downloads?

Why do we need to pay for instructions on running the program?

And Yes, https://wiki.logos.com/ is free.

I don't understand why? Why do we have to pay huge money for postage.

Doc B

I do feel that there is much of logos 5I I don't use to its full potential, and wonder if these would be the way to go.

Last time this ( http://blog.logos.com/2014/09/on-sale-logos-5-training-manual-set/ ) happened, the new version of Logos was released within about a month or so.

Does this mean L6 is on the horizon?

Alex Bui

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/630644#Comment_630644

I do feel that there is much of logos 5I I don't use to its full potential, and wonder if these would be the way to go.

Last time this ( http://blog.logos.com/2014/09/on-sale-logos-5-training-manual-set/ ) happened, the new version of Logos was released within about a month or so.

Does this mean L6 is on the horizon?

I remembered that, [:)].

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/630644#Comment_630644

I do feel that there is much of logos 5I I don't use to its full potential, and wonder if these would be the way to go.

Last time this ( http://blog.logos.com/2014/09/on-sale-logos-5-training-manual-set/ ) happened, the new version of Logos was released within about a month or so.

Does this mean L6 is on the horizon?

Let's wait what comes after about one month.

Could someone tell me what page size the manuals are. Are they hard cover?

Is the content worth it, and extensive.

Hey Duncan,

I don't own these manuals, but Morris is a thorough going presenter and has a reputation for producing quality teaching materials. The product page for this set of training manuals vol.1 and vol.2 gives a detailed coverage as to what to expect from the training. Quoting from this information you can anticipate 262 pgs. of material.

The product page also provides sample pages from the resources. Even with the possible impending release of "Logos 6," I doubt there will be a major departure from the present set of features offered thus you can therefor expect that your modest expense will repay dividends towards grasping the nuts and bolts of the software.

In addition depending on your needs and level of proficiency there are a number of free videos and webinars available, visit Support on the www.logos.com webpage, Mark Barnes offers an excellent introduction to the software that is still quite relevant here and free webinars have begun to be released by Logos that are archived at www.logos.com/webinars-archive, for specific information on any number of topics the wikis e.g., Collections, are indespensible, finally, John Fallahee offers free webinars on his website at www.learnlogos.com under the Live Training Schedule heading, but I give you fair warning after viewing the live presentation you're probably going to want to pay to own the recorded session.

Parting shot, let us not overlook the obvious, when your in a jam the forums do the trick!

Could someone tell me what page size the manuals are. Are they hard cover?

Is the content worth it, and extensive.

Hey Duncan,

In addition depending on your needs and level of proficiency there are a number of free videos and webinars available, visit Support on the www.logos.com webpage, Mark Barnes offers an excellent introduction to the software that is still quite relevant here and free webinars have begun to be released by Logos that are archived at www.logos.com/webinar-archive, for specific information on any number of topics the wikis e.g., Collections, are indespensible, finally, John Fallahee offers free webinars on his website at www.learnlogos.com under the Live Training Schedule heading, but I give you fair warning after viewing the live presentation you're probably going to want to pay to own the recorded session.

Parting shot, let us not overlook the obvious, when your in a jam the forums do the trick!

BTW they're soft cover.

https://www.logos.com/product/42738/logos-5-quickstart

Could someone tell me what page size the manuals are. Are they hard cover?

Is the content worth it, and extensive.

Hey Duncan,

In addition depending on your needs and level of proficiency there are a number of free videos and webinars available, visit Support on the www.logos.com webpage, Mark Barnes offers an excellent introduction to the software that is still quite relevant here and free webinars have begun to be released by Logos that are archived at www.logos.com/webinar-archive, for specific information on any number of topics the wikis e.g., Collections, are indespensible, finally, John Fallahee offers free webinars on his website at www.learnlogos.com under the Live Training Schedule heading, but I give you fair warning after viewing the live presentation you're probably going to want to pay to own the recorded session.

Parting shot, let us not overlook the obvious, when your in a jam the forums do the trick!

BTW it is soft cover.

Alex Bui

Hi Duncan,

If you want to see samples of how MP trains others, these would give you good examples:

http://blog.logos.com/?s=morris+proctor

The followings will all give you more comprehensive coverage on how to use Logos. They are all excellent resources.

Paper https://www.logos.com/product/36348/logos-5-training-manual-set?utm_source=blog.logos.com&utm_medium=blog&utm_content=onsaletrainingmanual&utm_campaign=promo-trainingmanual2014

Download https://www.logos.com/product/41718/mobile-ed-lt151-logos-academic-training

Download http://www.learnlogos.com/category_s/1870.htm if you decide to go with this, don't forget to use fivedollars coupon.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/630871#Comment_630871

And why are people who don't own the manuals giving advice on them. How about we get someone who actually owns them to give advice...LOL...let me guess, maybe nobody buys them; hence, the big question: Why are these not available as downloads? I even wrote a post on this subject earlier today. Anyway, maybe someday Logos will give us or attempt to give us a valid reason as to why 1) the manuals are not available as downloads and 2) why do we have to pay to learn how to use the software! So far, everything else I've bought comes with instructions. Must be some kind of contract they have with Morris Proctor to help him get richer, which is fine, the guy knows his stuff, but I believe the manuals should be given for free, at least, to those who buy Gold and up (Sorry, not to say the lower base packages don't deserve it, but it would at least encourage sales of higher base packages -- though I still believe they should be available as Digital Downloads even if we have to pay for them).

DAL

JT (alabama24)

why do we have to pay to learn how to use the software!

Logos doesn't make them, Morris Proctor does.

How about we get someone who actually owns them to give advice

I have them for L4 and really like them. And believe it or not, I would prefer them in print. (But a digital copy would be nice too).

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/630875#Comment_630875

Logos doesn't make them, Morris Proctor does.

Ok, so Morris must be some kind of share holder/owner of Logos or else why would Logos allow him to get rich off of training people to use their software? He's a superb instructor, but again, that doesn't justify Logos not giving us an in-house Manual (which should be better than Morris') which should come with the software. Instead, they offer "Webinars" and short videos on their wiki page which are nothing close to the training manuals that come with other things you buy in life.

I have them for L4 and really like them. And believe it or not, I would prefer them in print. (But a digital copy would be nice too).

I'd rather have them in Digital format even if I have to pay for them - that's how far I'm willing to go to learn how to use the software, but they're not getting any money from me on training manuals that come from a third party guy - which, again, raises the question: Why is Logos allowing Morris to get rich off of training people how to use the software?

What if I wanted to do the same thing, but in Spanish? Invest my time and money to learn how to use the software and then just charge people to learn how to use the software and buy training manuals and videos from me. Would Logos be ok with that?

I'm sure there's a lot of things behind the scenes that we don't know, but still, many have complained about why we have to spend big bucks on Logos Bible Software and then pay a third party to learn how to use the software. I'm sure it's an honest query everybody has and it should be answered at least to some degree.

DAL

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/630881#Comment_630881

many have complained about why we have to spend big bucks on Logos Bible Software and then pay a third party to learn how to use the software.

Obviously these people have not been around the block enough times. It is the norm within the corporate world to pay a third party for training. As a Commissioner for HUD I spent a small fortune on CEU training seminars. A couple of them included how to use MS Office and other software to its fullest.

If you can produce a Spanish seminar or workbooks I am sure Logos would be interested in talking to you.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/630881#Comment_630881

Ok, so Morris must be some kind of share holder/owner of Logos or else why would Logos allow him to get rich off of training people to use their software?

He isn't an owner and I doubt he is "getting rich." Furthermore, I know that he employs other people as well (part time / full time I don't know). Bob has addressed the issue of "why Morris" elsewhere, but I think the heart of the matter was "he does a better job than we could do." I know that there are strong feelings about wether Logos should be producing this in-house and giving it to users... I don't want to wade into that discussion. I will say that most any software of any heft has paid guides... either published in-house or by and authorized trainer. This is true of Adobe products, Office, etc and isn't unique to Logos.

What if I wanted to do the same thing, but in Spanish? Invest my time and money to learn how to use the software and then just charge people to learn how to use the software and buy training manuals and videos from me. Would Logos be ok with that?

Sure thing. Just don't advertise in the forums. There are at least two other individuals I know who make a living out of Logos training.

Aaron Baldridge

Brother,

I attended Camp Logos 1 and 2 last year and purchased the manuals in an electronic format. You can contact MP Seminars directly and I am sure that they would be glad to help you.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/631400#Comment_631400

Brother,

I attended Camp Logos 1 and 2 last year and purchased the manuals in an electronic format. You can contact MP Seminars directly and I am sure that they would be glad to help you.

Thanks! I will contact him tomorrow and find out if it's a PDF or PB. Either way, I'd rather have it in e-format than print. I don't care if it costs the same.

Thanks again!

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/631412#Comment_631412

I don't care if it costs the same.

Hate to rain on your parade DAL, but my bet is that it will cost more. What I want is a format that will sync with the Logos library.

Gerald

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/631400#Comment_631400

I purchased the Logos 4 manuals. At the speed that Logos was updating the features, I never was sure what part of the manuals were outdated. An electronic version could be updated at the same time the program sends out updates.

I started with Libronix 3, then 4, then 5. I am now at Gold 5. Libronix 3 was a nightmare for me to use, so it didn't get used. It wasn't until Logos 5 that the program become intuitive for me.

The program continues to get better for my use. I prefer to use one of the third party training providers because it is economical and it shows me on screen how to use the program. If Logos has a weakness, it is in providing instruction on the use of its program. I shouldn't have to pay hundreds / thousands of dollars for a program, then pay hundreds more to learn the features of it.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/631438#Comment_631438

What I want is a format that will sync with the Logos library

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/631438#Comment_631438

I don't care if it costs the same.

Hate to rain on your parade DAL, but my bet is that it will cost more. What I want is a format that will sync with the Logos library.

Not quite, not quite! I just got them and I'll be doing some serious study to unleash the potential of L5 before L6 gets here (hopefully next year instead of this year). Then, the transition should be smooth.

DAL

Anthony Muckelt

I agree postage to the UK seems excessive it costs more than the manuals. I'm not willing to pay £30 for postage on manuals costing £21. This is like the Bible Study magazine which again costs more in postage than the magazine itself.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/631592#Comment_631592

I agree postage to the UK seems excessive it costs more than the manuals. I'm not willing to pay £30 for postage on manuals costing £21. This is like the Bible Study magazine which again costs more in postage than the magazine itself.

Call MPSeminars and get the e-version of the manuals. No postage necessary!

DAL

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/631596#Comment_631596

Call MPSeminars and get the e-version of the manuals. No postage necessary!

There is no e-version.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/631615#Comment_631615

Call MPSeminars and get the e-version of the manuals. No postage necessary!

There is no e-version.

You obviously have something else in mind when you read the word "e-version." What I mean by e-version is any "electronic" version/format of some document. In this case, the training manuals which are available in PDF format are considered "e-version," but you have to call, so they can send you the link to buy them. When you get the link you have to agree to be the only user. You cannot make copies to distribute. Once you pay and agree, then they send you another link to download the PDF's of the training manuals. But, yes, there is an "e-version" of the manuals.

DAL

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/631629#Comment_631629

But, yes, there is an "e-version" of the manuals.

That is cool. (Better than nothing.) News to me.