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David Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 10 2014 5:43 AM

I am sorry for the length of this post, but it seems in only in this forum maybe once every two years. Also there will be less need to be here in the future as I shifted my book fund over to another Bible study app earlier this year that does have a Windows Store App and supports x86, x64, and ARM, so I'm not as concerned about a Logos app now. But I think something is being missed.

In the discussion about whether or not Logos will develop a Windows Store Logos app it is often brought up that "Windows is just 3% of the market and dropping".  I don't see this "Windows is just 3% of the market and dropping", unless you look at only the mobile (phone) market. It is dropping despite increasing in sales because of the expanding market. But mobile isn't everything. In fact, mobile plus tablets isn't either.

No one that I know of doubts the importance of the mobile computing market (phones and tablets). But when I look at the data and see that Windows has 60% to Android 17% and iOS 12% across all devices, mobile included, I cannot help but think that 1) there sure must be a lot of non-Apple/Android devices out there, and 2) Microsoft is far from dead. (To the post referring to just mobile numbers, are you remembering that Windows 8 is mobile too? Don't put Windows just in the category of desktop.)

First, let me comment on mobile. Mobile computing is very important. I use my (Windows) smartphone more than my tablet. I even have a spare in the living room without a data plan for WiFi surfing and Xbox Glass TV control. The only time I use my WiFi-only tablet is when out of the office. (Both my tablet and Kindle are WiFi only, out of choice.) The smartphone is always available, always on, and always connected. I reach for it first most of the time for web searches and simple note taking. A significant number of people don't need anything more than a mobile device now. So mobile is significant. 

But mobile does not cut it for content creation. Same for the tablet unless you extend it with external devices. Mobile isn't everything. At least not yet, and I don't see how it could with the types of interfaces we have at present.

What's my point? 1) Mobile is still a smaller part of the whole market. 2) Microsoft is far from dead. 3) There are a lot of people who have Win8 that can run Windows Store Apps. 4) There are people who don't want to live in 3 or 4 different "walled gardens" with an Apple ID, and Google ID, and Microsoft ID, and an Amazon ID, and whatever else comes along.

There are around 1.5 billion Windows users (to use the same kind of numbers that every other vendor uses). There are currently maybe 150 million Windows 8 users who can run Windows Store apps. So Microsoft handled mobile poorly. So 99% of Windows users can use the current desktop Logos. Does that mean these users who can run Windows Store apps (and I am one of them) are not worth the time? Ok. I get it. That is why I am switching to a vendor who does see the value is support this growing user base. Yes, I'll continue to have Logos on my triple-monitor, 8 GB RAM, Xeon workstation for serious research, but my lighter, mobile use will be with another vendor. So be it.

One last comment on "the development cost is too high". So what about Intel versus ARM and development costs to support ARM? May I offer a few points?

  • Logos has experience on ARM already with iWhatevers and other devices.
  • Logs has .NET Framework experience.
  • .NET Framework is available on ARM. Logos would not be writing in assembler, correct? Yes, there are a few things to watch for in writing code for this, as in the memory model with multithreaded programs, and tighter data alignment requirements, plus build differences, but it is still .NET Framework.
  • .NET has been on ARM for at least ten years that I know of anyway, with Windows CE .NET, so this is nothing new, and you may already have someone with experience in this.
  • There is another Bible study app that I use on my Windows tablet that supports x86, x64, and ARM. From the blog notes for this product it does not seem that moving to ARM was too hard.

May I suggest that you assign a very good Windows/.NET programmer to test this out?

I'll be watching my e-mail for any Windows Store app product announcement, but I am sorry that I have had to change direction, at least for now.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 10 2014 7:08 AM

The point made is that continuity is an issue. Microsoft has a long history with mobile devices and version x program will be totally incompatible with version y. We were also told that the Logos Program is not compatible with the Windows store one model, to redo the program makes no sense. Logos only recently (Logos 4) basically did a complete rewrite they used what MS told them was to be the new standard only to find out their new standard was to be abandoned. Years latter MS is promoting their one APP option, it makes sense and if Logos was a new APP maybe it would make sense. Do not forget us mac users paid for our program. Logos 1 for the mac was not a free engine like the windows side, but a program that had to be purchased, so yes Logos might devote many hours/people to it and try to recover costs via a sales option, but again as pointed out MOST of those customers can already download and use the existing desktop version free so will you pay for something that is free?

-dan

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