Paideia New Testament set.These are excellent and now cheap: $174.95. Ends midnight Pasific Standard Time.click.logosmail.com/t/4779133/12530973/72230/12/?e5e2987d=NDc3OTEzMw%3d%3d&x=abd6357aSee these threads for my reviews, they are offsite:Eph Col volume in action!...1 Clem, Ignatius, Papias, RoAn example from 8:1-39. It's...1 Cor, by Pheme Perkins...New contributions in the Practical Commentary thread are welcome! If Logos is the software which is the right choice for You among the alternatives.
Other than you, I suspect most people that frequent these forums are primarily Logos users. Thanks for not advertizing (yet again) for the other software. However I'm not sure what benefit this would be to me. More so now than before. Can you articulate a case for it beyond its date? Many pearls are covered in dust, and much new scholarship is not worth the paper its printed on.
Well that's disappointing, I may be wrong but I thought Logos said the PrePub price would always be the lowest, This came in two releases, the original 7 and a 4 volume upgrade. I bought both on PrePub for $185 total.
Buyer beware I guess. Whether or not this is an expressly stated rule in the past, don't let the hype of PrePub fool you into a quick decision, the price may be cheaper later.
It's succinct where appropritate, deals with the text from many scholarly angles, there are important but not too many textual matters especially concerning multiple verses - look for example at the discussion of the ending of Ro. Deals with a few important modern English Bibles. Decently varied cross referencing to primary texts and modern scholars. Little to no Hebrew knowledge needed. Authors come from various denominational backgrounds incl. Catholic as should be expected in commentary series at this level. It's rarely verbose. Not much fluff, examples of fluff being things such as bibliographies running a dozen pages a volume which can be seen in some other commentaries. Good modern format. Better electronic in Logos than as printed matter, in order to be able to look up transliterated Greek accurately. Individual volumes are usually a bit expensive both worthwhile in some cases:
Can you articulate a case for it beyond its date?
Can you post some of the example discussion you referenced in regards to the end of Ro?
Wow...that is about $20 less than I paid with an academic discount last year. I really like the commentaries...but I wish I'd waited. [:D]
Well that's disappointing, I may be wrong but I thought Logos said the PrePub price would always be the lowest, This came in two releases, the original 7 and a 4 volume upgrade. I bought both on PrePub for $185 total. Buyer beware I guess. Whether or not this is an expressly stated rule in the past, don't let the hype of PrePub fool you into a quick decision, the price may be cheaper later.
all PrePub promises is that it is the lowest price in the orginal configuration. Individual resources can be bundled into larger collections and collections can be broken up. Unless you really want sometime NOW PrePub will not give you the lowest price.
Hi, Ken!Sorry I couldn't post any sooner, but was asleep. The Ro volume seems to be on October 2014 sale throughout the month:
" The Doxology of Romans 16:25–27Although the textual tradition that underlies most contemporary editions of Romans concludes the letter with the doxology of 16:25–27, this doxology occurs in several other places in the manuscript tradition. And in a few instances it does not occur at all. Bruce Metzger (1994, 471) summarizes the different places that the doxology is found as follows: 1:1–16:23 plus the doxology 1:1–14:23 plus the doxology plus 15:1–16:23 plus the doxology 1:1–14:23 plus the doxology plus 15:1–16:24 1:1–15:33 plus the doxology plus 16:1–23 1:1–14:23 plus 16:24 plus the doxologyAs this summary shows, the doxology appears in several places. In addition to coming at the end of chapter 16, it can be found at the end of chapter 14, at the end of chapter 15, as well as at the end of chapters 14 and 16.The different places in which the doxology occurs in the textual tradition suggest to some that Romans may have circulated in three different forms: chapters 1–14, chapters 1–15, and chapters 1–16. Origen, for example, reports that the second-century heretic Marcion employed an edition of Romans that contained only fourteen chapters: Marcion, by whom the evangelical and apostolic Scriptures have been interpolated, completely removed this section from the epistle; and not only this but he also cut up everything from the place where it is written, “But all that is not from faith is sin,” to the end. But in other copies, i.e., in those that have not been desecrated by Marcion, we find this section itself placed in different locations. For in several manuscripts, after the passage cited above, that is, “All that is not from faith is sin,” immediately joining this is rendered, “now to him who is able to strengthen you.” But other manuscripts contain it at the end, as it now stands. (Origen, Comm. Rom. 10.43.2, trans. Scheck 2001–2, 2:307–8)In the oldest extant manuscript of the Pauline Letters, the Chester Beatty Papyrus 𝔓46 (dated to about AD 200), the doxology occurs at the end of chapter 15, which suggested to T. W. Manson (1991) the following: (1) that Paul’s Letter to the Romans originally consisted of fifteen chapters, (2) that Marcion subsequently excised chapter 15 because of its OT quotations, and (3) that chapter 16 was originally a cover letter to Ephesus intended to introduce Paul’s Letter to the Romans (which he maintains originally consisted of chaps. 1–15) to the Ephesians since it was a summing up of his gospel.Although this is an attractive interpretation of the manuscript tradition, Manson’s proposal has been criticized (Cranfield 1975, 5–11; Gamble 1977, 15–35; Lampe 1991). In my view, Peter Stuhlmacher presents a more persuasive account of the textual history. He argues that Marcion excised chapters 14–15 from the original version of Romans, which consisted of chapters 1–16. Later, however, Marcion’s version was supplemented by the addition of chapter 15, as can be seen in 𝔓46. “Finally, the entire length of the letter is reconstituted, except that now the statement of praise which concludes chapter 16 (= 16:25–27) either appears twice, that is, after chapters 14 and 16 … or only after chapter 14, with a different benediction following 16:23, ‘May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ (be) with you all. Amen’ (16:24)” (Stuhlmacher 1994, 245).To summarize, although the original text of Romans consisted of sixteen chapters, it appears that other editions of the letter circulated, one with only fourteen chapters, another with only fifteen, all of which had the doxology in different places.Matera, F. J. (2010). Romans (pp. 327–329). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic.":
