Please publish metric as well as imperial measurements in all your resources!

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Steve Nicholson | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 9 2010 9:25 PM

Here is a serious suggestion (no, plea)...  I find it very surprising that so many of Logos' products record measurements in exclusively non-metric units. Like myself, there must be many Logos users outside of the USA who have been using metric measures for decades (Australia converted to metric in the early 1970's). Please consider the rest of the world who have to try and figure out what 450 feet converts to in metres to comprehend the length of Noah's Ark, or what 1,396,000 cubic feet converts to, and at least put the metric equivalent in brackets.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 9:53 PM

snichofam@bigpond.com:

Here is a serious suggestion (no, plea)...  I find it very surprising that so many of Logos' products record measurements in exclusively non-metric units. Like myself, there must be many Logos users outside of the USA who have been using metric measures for decades (Australia converted to metric in the early 1970's). Please consider the rest of the world who have to try and figure out what 450 feet converts to in metres to comprehend the length of Noah's Ark, or what 1,396,000 cubic feet converts to, and at least put the metric equivalent in brackets.

Hi snichofam, for the vast majority of its resources, Logos merely digitises works published by other publishers. They do not (and cannot) add explanatory text in brackets to someone else's work. Which resource(s) are you referring to? That figure, 1,396,000 cubic feet, is quoted in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia and Explorer's Bible Study: Genesis, in my library. Also in the Logos Bible Software Infographics. This latter is a resource totally created by Logos, so they could add such explanations there, and I think it would be a good idea. Perhaps they could also tag all places where measurements occur in any resource (that would be a huge undertaking) so you could hover over it with your mouse and it would bring up a pop-up with metric conversions.

Logos 3 had a "Weights and Measures" feature whereby you could look up any conversions from biblical units to contemporary units.

That was a great feature, and I would like to see them bring it back! I'd rather they spend their time doing that than tagging every single mention of a unit of measurement in the resources. They can leave it up to us to do the conversions using the tool.

Also, another problem with any of this is that the biblical units were not exact like ours; they were based on things like the length of a human forearm (that's what a cubit is); in many cases we can only guess at approximately what they are equivalent to in todays units.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 9:54 PM

Agreed... 

 

BTW. you might consider changing your Forum Name to something other than your email address if you don't want your email inbox filled with spam...

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 9:57 PM

Damian McGrath:

BTW. you might consider changing your Forum Name to something other than your email address if you don't want your email inbox filled with spam...

I've noticed a few other people doing that too. Maybe Logos needs to add some text to the Forum account set-up page that suggests people not use their email address there. I can't remember now how I set up my Forum profile, whether I was automatically given a default one just for having a Logos.com login ID, or whether I specifically had to register here, too. Anybody else remember or happen to catch a screen shot of that page?

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 10:00 PM

Rosie Perera:
Logos 3 had a "Weights and Measures" feature whereby you could look up any conversions from biblical units to contemporary units.

I would dislike it if Logos were to alter the resources themselves.  I was about to reply regarding the Weights and Measures function in L3, but Rosie beat me to it.  I'm not sure that Logos intends to offer this in L4, but I would urge them to do so.  That would solve your problem.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 10:04 PM

Rosie Perera:
Maybe Logos needs to add some text to the Forum account set-up page that suggests people not use their email address there

Disallow the @ symbol would be the easiest way...

 

 

On topic, I was thinking of Logos produced resources like infographics, rather than books. There is no excuse for a graphic produced by Logos to be limited to imperial units.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 10:16 PM

Damian McGrath:

I was thinking of Logos produced resources like infographics, rather than books. There is no excuse for a graphic produced by Logos to be limited to imperial units.

Not all the Infographics are producted by Logos. I've come across at least two that were produced by Karbel Multimedia (Egyptian Chariots, Jerusalem), though I'm not sure whether any of the Karbel ones have units of measurement in them.

Note that they do have a Biblical Units and Measurements infographic, but it's not dynamic/interactive nor linked in with places where you'd need it most, so it's not very helpful.

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Steve Nicholson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 10:23 PM

Thanks for your comments. I was referring to Logos' own infographics where I discovered the measurements of Noah's Ark. I am quite aware of the imprecise nature of ancient measurements.

As for my email being displayed I cannot explain that. In my profile my name is correctly listed as Steve Nicholson and all my other postings are under that name. For some reason, now my email is being listed. Must be tied up to the recent problem I had getting Logos 4 to recognise the WBC and the subsequent discovery that I had multiple accounts.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 10:29 PM

Your display name can be changed here: https://www.logos.com/user/MyProfile

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Steve Nicholson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 10:39 PM

Damien, I have tried to do exactly what you are suggesting but my display name is correctly listed in my profile as "Steve Nicholson". I cannot figure out why it is now displaying my email address.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 9 2010 11:29 PM

snichofam@bigpond.com:

Damien, I have tried to do exactly what you are suggesting but my display name is correctly listed in my profile as "Steve Nicholson". I cannot figure out why it is now displaying my email address.

Hi Steve, I recall someone else having that same problem and they went back and tweaked something else and it worked. I can't remember what they did, but it might have been that they'd simply forgotten to click "Save Changes" down at the bottom of the page. You get so used to being able to make changes to names of things in Logos without havnig to click Save (something that irritates some of us because it's too easy to accidentally overwrite something without a warning) that it's easy to forget the rest of the world (including Logos's own forum) operates differently! Smile

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 10 2010 12:10 AM

Rosie Perera:

Damian McGrath:

I was thinking of Logos produced resources like infographics, rather than books. There is no excuse for a graphic produced by Logos to be limited to imperial units.

 

Not all the Infographics are producted by Logos. I've come across at least two that were produced by Karbel Multimedia (Egyptian Chariots, Jerusalem), though I'm not sure whether any of the Karbel ones have units of measurement in them.

Note that they do have a Biblical Units and Measurements infographic, but it's not dynamic/interactive nor linked in with places where you'd need it most, so it's not very helpful.

 

well sadly this document lieth... UK/US Gallons are NOT the same, and this is the crux of the matter..

The U.S. liquid gallon is 3.8 L and the Imperial (UK) gallon is 4.5 L

 

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 10:53 AM

Damian McGrath:
consider changing your Forum Name to something other than your email address

Damian, I've tried every way I could think of to do that... any suggestion on how?

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 10:54 AM

Damian McGrath:

Your display name can be changed here: https://www.logos.com/user/MyProfile

Been there, done that. Display name should now be Bill S rather than full name... Yet in forums, I continue to see full name. What do you see?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 2:20 PM

BillS:

Damian McGrath:

Your display name can be changed here: https://www.logos.com/user/MyProfile

Been there, done that. Display name should now be Bill S rather than full name... Yet in forums, I continue to see full name. What do you see?

I see Bill S.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 5:29 PM

Rosie Perera:
I see Bill S.

Hi Rosie,

It wasn't as simple as just making the change in the place the data is stored. Apparently, no matter how many times you save the info elsewhere, you also have click save on the forum's edit profile tab to post it to the forums (even if the info is stored back on the main logos account page, profile tab). And then (thank you, Logos!) the change was retroactive to all posts--just like avatar & post points--er, count.

Thanks for the response!

Grace & Peace,
Bill


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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 5:35 PM

Damian McGrath:

Your display name can be changed here: https://www.logos.com/user/MyProfile

Thanks, Damian--you pointed to where to make the change... to publish it, had to click on save, here: http://community.logos.com/user/EditProfile.aspx 

Grace & Peace,
Bill


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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2010 10:46 PM

BillS:

It wasn't as simple as just making the change in the place the data is stored. Apparently, no matter how many times you save the info elsewhere, you also have click save on the forum's edit profile tab to post it to the forums (even if the info is stored back on the main logos account page, profile tab).

Thank you! Mystery solved. I had changed my profile yesterday (added my hometown; oddly there is no special reserved field for that so I put it within my bio) and thought I just would wait until today to see if the changes made it in, but they still hadn't. But after reading this post of yours I went back to my forum's edit profile page and clicked Save and it worked! (after displaying a message which I thought would make me have to wait some more, but in reality I didn't have to: "Your profile has been updated. It may take up to 10 minutes for changes to take effect.")

This could be more intuitive to use. Ahem!

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2010 8:14 AM

Rosie Perera:
changed my profile yesterday... and thought I just would wait until today to see if the changes made it in, but they still hadn't.

Same story here... there's no real "propagation" delay through the servers. We just needed to know that one more click (SOMEwhere) was required... Smile

Rosie Perera:
This could be more intuitive to use. Ahem!

Yes +1

Grace & Peace,
Bill


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