According to Ben, this dictionary needs some love!

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 11 2014 5:01 AM

Closing Friday for $20 ... maybe a little lower if we can get a few more bids.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 11 2014 6:03 AM

The price will drop quickly with a few more bids - https://www.logos.com/product/26757/brewers-dictionary-of-phrase-and-fable

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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 11 2014 6:51 AM

Alright..I caved. Hopefully it helps!

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 11 2014 7:16 AM

See this thread as well

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/88351.aspx

Steve:

Closing Friday for $20 ... maybe a little lower if we can get a few more bids.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 11 2014 7:42 AM

John Kight:
Alright..I caved. Hopefully it helps!

It did as the price just went down $1. I don't think it will take many more bids to lower it further.

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 5:30 AM

Currently at $19.  And it doesn't appear that it will take much to go to $18.

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 6:44 AM

I'm curious why folks seem to see this resource as particularly valuable.  One thing I do with older materials offered under Community Pricing is to search my library to see if any of the resources I already have reference it.  When there are a lot of hits it seems reasonable to assume that adding the resource would be useful.  Of course, just because my existing resources don't reference something doesn't prove that it won't be useful.  But the cross connections are one of the most useful aspects of Logos, and in adding resources I tend to think in terms of "building out the web" of my library.

When I searched for this one, I basically came up with zilch.  Because of that I haven't bid on it.  Is there something obvious that I'm missing?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 1:05 PM

There is an on-line version of this now - http://www.bartleby.com/81/ which will give you an idea of what is in this dictionary. It is a bit quirky of a book but I think it will be useful for illustrations and general knowledge so that's why I'd like it in Logos.

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 1:40 PM

Thanks, Bruce.  I'm still not sure it's for me, but I can see how someone might mine it for illustrations or anecdotes.

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 1:47 PM

EastTN, you will most definitely have plenty of time to change your mind before it's actually released. Smile

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 1:49 PM

EastTN:

Thanks, Bruce.  I'm still not sure it's for me, but I can see how someone might mine it for illustrations or anecdotes.

You are welcome. I understand not being sure but one thing is for sure. It will cost quite a bit more after it goes through Community Pricing.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 2:13 PM

EastTN:
When I searched for this one, I basically came up with zilch.  Because of that I haven't bid on it.  Is there something obvious that I'm missing?

If you encounter a new word, look it up, and then need to use it in a paper, you wouldn't normally reference the dictionary you used, would you? The usability of a dictionary like this depends on whether it includes entries your other dictionaries don't have, or better entries than they have, or perhaps entries from a particular time period, if you need to know what the word meant right then.

Just randomly I found Alley (The). Turns out it refers to the Stock Exchange Alley. "“John Rive, after many active years in the Alley, retired to the Continent, and died at the age of 118.”—Old and New London, p. 476." I know what an alley is, but there is no way I would have understood that reference if I came across it in a novel, and my normal dictionaries wouldn't be of any help either.

So old dictionaries are useful. If you want to pay to have them in Logos, when you can search the web for free, that's another matter, which only you can decide for yourself.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 2:18 PM

Not very high on my list, but I've found the other standard dictionaries in Logos helpful, so I'm sure this will be too. In!

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 7:20 AM

fgh:

If you encounter a new word, look it up, and then need to use it in a paper, you wouldn't normally reference the dictionary you used, would you? The usability of a dictionary like this depends on whether it includes entries your other dictionaries don't have, or better entries than they have, or perhaps entries from a particular time period, if you need to know what the word meant right then.

Just randomly I found Alley (The). Turns out it refers to the Stock Exchange Alley. "“John Rive, after many active years in the Alley, retired to the Continent, and died at the age of 118.”—Old and New London, p. 476." I know what an alley is, but there is no way I would have understood that reference if I came across it in a novel, and my normal dictionaries wouldn't be of any help either.

So old dictionaries are useful. If you want to pay to have them in Logos, when you can search the web for free, that's another matter, which only you can decide for yourself.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to discourage anyone else from purchasing this.  For me, checking to see if a work is referenced has been a very useful guide for lexicons and encyclopedias.  It appears that some of these references were standard works that were cited by many different authors, and others weren't - which is what one might expect.  As you point out, my method may not work as well for general purpose dictionaries.  And, as your example of the term "The Alley" suggests, Brewer may give insights on terms that are no longer familiar. I can see that as being particularly useful if you were studying older English literature and history.  But for me, I think it still makes sense to save my dollars for something with more obvious applicability to Scripture study.

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