Why Does The Pentecostal & Charismatic Package Not Go Past Silver

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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Nov 16 2014 6:33 PM

I see it only goes up to silver. Why is that?

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 16 2014 6:36 PM

I think the problem is that P&C does not have a manager. I wish Logos/Faithlife would hire any time soon. 

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 16 2014 6:46 PM

Probably also because (I'm guessing) Logos does not yet have enough P&C resources to properly fill out a Gold or larger package.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 16 2014 6:54 PM

Sean:

Probably also because (I'm guessing) Logos does not yet have enough P&C resources to properly fill out a Gold or larger package.

That could be the reason why we need P&C manager, to push many P&C books on prepub. Previous manager was collecting the data, but since he is gone, everything stopped Crying

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 16 2014 7:05 PM

Wild Eagle:
I think the problem is that P&C does not have a manager.

I do not think that is why because---

Baptist has Diamond and no product manager 

SDA has a product manager and only a Silver package

Sean:
Probably also because (I'm guessing) Logos does not yet have enough P&C resources to properly fill out a Gold or larger package.

I think you are on to it.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 16 2014 7:20 PM

Super Tramp, that's my point. if we would have manager, he would push much more resources on prepub, and then we would have more resources on Logos. Baptist package is different, see how many resources they already have in Logos. 

EDIT: see the post. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/71399.aspx as an example 

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 16 2014 7:20 PM

Sean:

Probably also because (I'm guessing) Logos does not yet have enough P&C resources to properly fill out a Gold or larger package.

I was thinking this also, however, I looked on the site and seen that some of the other packages have less resources tagged to that particular denomination that P&C.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 16 2014 8:51 PM

It could be a lack of resources, but I also see that there is probably a lack of focus as to what really underlies the library of someone who comes from that perspective. Traditionally, there hasn't been a strong academic/seminary foundation for those in ministry. And frankly, there is very little difference in the sorts of resources used for Bible study. FWIW, I'm in a congregation that is AG, but you'd never guess it by most of what's in my library.

I have the Silver package on my wish list. Just haven't found a way to shoehorn it into my budget yet. 

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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 18 2014 9:43 AM

It would be nice if I get a crossgrade package to upgrade to a Pent gold if there was one.

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GregW | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 18 2014 10:11 AM

mab:

It could be a lack of resources, but I also see that there is probably a lack of focus as to what really underlies the library of someone who comes from that perspective. Traditionally, there hasn't been a strong academic/seminary foundation for those in ministry. And frankly, there is very little difference in the sorts of resources used for Bible study. FWIW, I'm in a congregation that is AG, but you'd never guess it by most of what's in my library.

I have the Silver package on my wish list. Just haven't found a way to shoehorn it into my budget yet. 

I think the Pentecostal/Charismatic spread is an extremely broad one: there are large numbers of charismatics in many traditional denominations, as well as a lot of charismatic "new churches" that are by no means Pentecostal. Within Pentecostalism itself there is enormous diversity. As far as the Logos offerings are concerned, I didn't buy any of these packages as the names I expected to be in there weren't there, and a whole lot of names I didn't recognise were. For example, Gordon Fee is probably the finest Pentecostal Biblical Scholar of the last half-century, and I can't see anything by him (and certainly none of his commentaries) in the base packages. He's definitely Pentecostal - I've sat behind him in the Pentecostal church in Vancouver that he was part of over many years. 

I'm not sure how Logos can resolve this, and whoever takes over as the Product Manager will need to be extremely broad-based to satisfy this market: there is, however, also a big opportunity here. Pentecostals and Charismatics are increasingly embracing theological study and looking for good scholarship: that is a comparatively recent development and one that does present companies like Logos with significant opportunities to satisfy that demand. 


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Brandon Rappuhn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 18 2014 10:31 AM

James Hiddle:

I see it only goes up to silver. Why is that?

As others have suggested, it is a combination of the lack of the key books (and quantity of books) that would make a P&C Gold worth its name, and the lack of a product manager to oversee P&C products and marketing. We'd love to have up to Portfolio in all of our denominational tracks--indeed, it's a goal we are all working toward (even those of us who aren't Pentecostal and Charismatic are helping out with P&C marketing)--so, with enough time and customer interest, we'll get there (soon I hope). Smile

James Hiddle:

It would be nice if I get a crossgrade package to upgrade to a Pent gold if there was one.

If you have Pentecostal Silver, you can crossgrade to the Feature Crossgrade with your dynamic price and be caught up with the features and datasets of Gold (and then some). If you go to the Extended Crossgrade, you'll get some of the additional resources that come in Gold packages (like the DIY Bible Study and the Not-Your-Average Bible Study and the Logos Hymnal). However, if you're looking for more Pentecostal and Charismatic-specific books, the best place to go is Pre-Pub and filter by the P&C denomination (or to Community Pricing and find the authors and works that would be of particular interest to your study). Getting more resources shipped through Pre-Pub and Community Pricing helps us to deliver more of this content via base packages.

Also, if you know anyone who is interested in working for Faithlife to promote and propagate Pentecostal & Charismatic books and theology, make sure to tell them to apply! https://www.logos.com/about/careers

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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 18 2014 2:04 PM

Brandon Rappuhn:

James Hiddle:

I see it only goes up to silver. Why is that?

As others have suggested, it is a combination of the lack of the key books (and quantity of books) that would make a P&C Gold worth its name, and the lack of a product manager to oversee P&C products and marketing. We'd love to have up to Portfolio in all of our denominational tracks--indeed, it's a goal we are all working toward (even those of us who aren't Pentecostal and Charismatic are helping out with P&C marketing)--so, with enough time and customer interest, we'll get there (soon I hope). Smile

James Hiddle:

It would be nice if I get a crossgrade package to upgrade to a Pent gold if there was one.

If you have Pentecostal Silver, you can crossgrade to the Feature Crossgrade with your dynamic price and be caught up with the features and datasets of Gold (and then some). If you go to the Extended Crossgrade, you'll get some of the additional resources that come in Gold packages (like the DIY Bible Study and the Not-Your-Average Bible Study and the Logos Hymnal). However, if you're looking for more Pentecostal and Charismatic-specific books, the best place to go is Pre-Pub and filter by the P&C denomination (or to Community Pricing and find the authors and works that would be of particular interest to your study). Getting more resources shipped through Pre-Pub and Community Pricing helps us to deliver more of this content via base packages.

Also, if you know anyone who is interested in working for Faithlife to promote and propagate Pentecostal & Charismatic books and theology, make sure to tell them to apply! https://www.logos.com/about/careers

Thanks for the P&C link. Appreciate it and God bless you for the advice.

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Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 3:20 AM

There is a need for more Classical Pentecostal works.

 As stated in many posts, the former "Full Life Study Bible" that is now labeled the "Fire Bible".  It is in the other two competitors but NOT in Logos.  

One wonders why????? when Jimmy Swaggart and the LDS  are represented.

The Life in the Spirit Bible Commentary is not in Logos.

The Complete Biblical Library is NOT in Logos, but apparently locked up in a competitor. 

Enrichment journal past issues, Pneuma, and the Assemblies of God Heritage could also be added.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 7:19 AM

Dan Langston:

There is a need for more Classical Pentecostal works.

 As stated in many posts, the former "Full Life Study Bible" that is now labeled the "Fire Bible".  It is in the other two competitors but NOT in Logos.  

One wonders why????? when Jimmy Swaggart and the LDS  are represented.

The Life in the Spirit Bible Commentary is not in Logos.

The Complete Biblical Library is NOT in Logos, but apparently locked up in a competitor. 

Enrichment journal past issues, Pneuma, and the Assemblies of God Heritage could also be added.

Thank you, Dan!!!  Someone at Logos, please use Dan's suggestions as a guideline for the next set of resources you go after for those of us that are Pentecostal.  If you contact the Assemblies of God you should be able to secure almost every one of these.  And they are K-E-Y Pentecostal resources, not just outliers. 

Please.  Please.  Pretty Please.  Look into adding the resources he mentioned.  Especially the "Fire Bible" (formerly "Full Life Study Bible") and the very academic and well done "Life in the Spirit NT Commentary."

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Bryan S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 7:35 AM

Gary Osborne:
Thank you, Dan!!!  Someone at Logos, please use Dan's suggestions as a guideline for the next set of resources you go after for those of us that are Pentecostal.  If you contact the Assemblies of God you should be able to secure almost every one of these.  And they are K-E-Y Pentecostal resources, not just outliers. 

I'm Sure The Church of God (Cleveland, Tenn) Will be Glad to help in getting you Pentecostal resources as well. We have many great authors and the second largest Christian College (Lee University) in the Nation, Not to mention the Theological Seminary as well. There is a lot of Great Authors in our Mist.

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Ed Blough | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 8:40 AM

This may be bad info, but I'm under the impression that Logos and AG Global University has some kind of agreement to supply Berean course material to Global University Remote students. If that is the case there are many excellent P&C books used in the course that could be offered by Faithlife.

I totally agree the "Fire Bible" needs to be offered soon.  The original Full Life Study Bible was a Zondervan work so I would think Faithlife would have access to it.

Also I would think Gospel Publishing House (AG) and Pathway Publishing (COG Clev.) would be open to have their books and authors represented on Faithlife.

Also unless I very wrong or the program is designed to only show books in the packages which I do not have I don't see many of the P&C books in any of the packages that Logos does have and offers.   IMHO I think the P&C collection needs to be rethought.  

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 9:35 AM

Ed Blough:
AG Global University has some kind of agreement to supply Berean course material

Berean School of the Bible Digital Courses (27 courses)

 If I remember correctly Full Life Study Bible was included in the Libronix resource Lifeworks of Jack Hayford.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 10:17 AM

Super.Tramp:

 If I remember correctly Full Life Study Bible was included in the Libronix resource Lifeworks of Jack Hayford.

That's a different study bible entirely.  It's called the Spirit-Filled Life Study Bible.  And yes, it's by Hayford.  The one we are referring to is completely different (and far superior to that light-weight "study" Bible offered by Nelson).

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Kristin Dantzler | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 6:51 PM

We should be able to express an opinion without negative comments such as light weight "study" bible.  I for one have been very blessed for many years by the Spirit Filled Life Study Bible and am glad I have both the print and Logos version.

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Gary Osborne | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 19 2014 8:08 PM

No offense was intended.  I've got that bible as well and it is nice.  But it's not nearly as thick and in depth as the "Full Life"/"Fire Bible".  It's just not.  That's all I meant.

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