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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jan 13 2010 9:36 AM
I would love to see books by Greg L. Bahnsen in Logos. This guy will make you think even if you hate thinking! You do not have to agree with him to benefit from his writings. I am not sure if the late Greg L. Bahnsen has written more books than i list below (which is take from my paper Library). If so, then yes to more of his works. Thanks.   Ted     
  1. Presuppositional Apologetics: Stated and Defended by Greg L. Bahnsen and Joel McDurmon
  2. Homosexuality: A Biblical View by Greg L. Bahnsen
  3. Pushing the Antithesis: The Apologetic Methodology of Greg L. Bahnsen by Greg L. Bahnsen
  4. Always Ready: Directions for Defending the Faith by Greg L. Bahnsen
  5. By This Standard: The Authority of God's Law Todayby Greg L. Bahnsen
  6. Van Til's Apologetic: Readings and Analysis by Greg L. Bahnsen
  7. House Divided: The Break Up of Dispensational Theology (80017) by Greg L. Bahnsen and Jr. Kenneth L. Gentry
  8. Theonomy in Christian Ethics by Greg L. Bahnsen
  9. Victory in Jesus: The Bright Hope of Postmillennialism by Greg L. Bahnsen and Robert R. Booth
  10. No Other Standard: Theonomy and Its Critics by Greg L. Bahnsen
  11. The Standard Bearer: A Festschrift for Greg L. Bahnsen by Steven M. Schlissel

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2010 2:47 PM

The first title caught my attention so I looked it up on Amazon. What, pray tell, is the "Biblical presuppositional method"?

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2010 2:59 PM

MJ. Smith:

The first title caught my attention so I looked it up on Amazon. What, pray tell, is the "Biblical presuppositional method"?

Simply put MJ, you start with the believe that the bible is right. Ted

 

Presuppositional Apologetics. Presuppositional apologetics is the apologetic system that defends Christianity from the departure point of certain basic presuppositions. The apologist presupposes the truth of Christianity and then reasons from that point. One basic presupposition is that the non-Christian also has presuppositions that color everything he or she hears about God. Another is that in some fashion the person encountered is, as Augustine said, “doing business” with God and, as Romans 1 puts it so damningly, suppressing knowledge of the truth. It is the apologist’s role to present the truth of Christianity and the falsehood of any worldview opposed to Christ (see PLURALISM, RELIGIOUS).
Geisler, N. L. (1999). Baker encyclopedia of Christian apologetics. Baker reference library (607). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.

 

The presuppositional approach to apologetics says that any defense of Christianity must begin with the assumption that God exists and that the Bible is His authentic and authoritative Word. A presuppositionalist will not attempt to demonstrate these two truths; instead he will assume their validity and build on them without ever accepting any challenges against them. Why? Because of his view of humanity and the effects of sin.
Story, D. (1997). Defending your faith (3). Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications.

 

 

presuppositionalism. A variety of classical evangelical apologetics often associated with Cornelius Van Til. Presuppositionalists assert that any system of belief is built on certain foundational presuppositions (unprovable assertions that must be believed to make experience meaningful). As a result, the best means of Christian apologetics is not to prove certain specific assertions such as the existence of God, the historicity of the resurrection or the authority of the Bible. Instead the presuppositionalist Christian apologist explores the foundational presuppositions of competing belief systems with the goal of showing that human experience makes sense (or has meaning) most clearly when viewed in the light of the foundational teachings of the Christian faith.

Grenz, S., Guretzki, D., & Nordling, C. F. (1999). Pocket dictionary of theological terms (94). Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press.

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2010 3:20 PM

Ted Hans:
you start with the believe that the bible is right.

Thanks - its clearly not made for one of my bent who drove some professors nuts in college by constantly calling into question the presuppositions.Big Smile

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2010 4:02 PM

MJ. Smith:
Thanks - its clearly not made for one of my bent who drove some professors nuts in college by constantly calling into question the presuppositions.Big Smile

Martha, may I elaborate?

The whole approach says that everyone acts according to their presuppositions...even someone who questions others in an attempt to expose their presuppositions Big Smile

Here is one of his called "The Myth of Neutrality"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPn8AX6Ru3E&feature=related

 

 

 

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2010 4:41 PM

Robert Pavich:

Here is one of his called "The Myth of Neutrality"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPn8AX6Ru3E&feature=related

Thanks Bob for the link although not meant for meSmile.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2010 5:30 PM

Robert Pavich:
The whole approach says that everyone acts according to their presuppositions.

When I look at religion throughout the world and throughout history, I see a common drive to know God. To me, the inate pull towards God is a primary element of proving the existence of God. That same survey teaches me that a common element of that search, both by those graced by the knowledge of God's self-revelation and those ignorant of it , is the stripping away of presuppositions. It is true that in order to live in the world we must make assumptions - consciously or unconsciously. I have spent at least 40 years trying to make them conscious choices. And for a decade or so before that I was always questioning the basis for knowledge - long before I'd heard the term "epistimology".

I found the video interesting and can see why he is well regarded. However, I experienced none of the blatant prejudice he describes either in a private college or a public university nor did my children.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 14 2010 2:31 AM

MJ. Smith:
I found the video interesting and can see why he is well regarded. However, I experienced none of the blatant prejudice he describes either in a private college or a public university nor did my children.

Martha,

Did yiou watch all of the videos in the series?

I've preached on Campus and I can say...(at least for myself and people I've encountered) that he's accurate in the responses...no...not everyone..but plenty of them..

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 14 2010 1:49 PM

Robert Pavich:
Did yiou watch all of the videos in the series?

No, I only watched one as I needed to be up early to take Mother to an appointment. It would be interesting to determine why our experiences of college professors has been so dissimilar. Put that in the context of my brother, grandfather , great-grandfather and great-great grandfather all being involved in higher education and my working for a higher ed institution ... I really am familiar with the environment. I certainly know a large number of non-Christian professors to whom religion is a mere irrelevancy but I know none who would speak out against religion in a classroom.

 

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 14 2010 2:00 PM

MJ. Smith:
but I know none who would speak out against religion in a classroom.

Wow...you should go to www.aomin.org and check out the account of Dr. James White's daughter summer and her amazing encounter with "Dr. Carter" who humiliated her in class repeatedly...

It's astounding how he acted....

But be that as it may....Greg's (Dr. Bahnsen's) point was that everyone operates from presupposed ideas....some just don't think that they do...but nobody is neutral...Christian or Atheist...all operate on their presuppositions, and recognizing that allows the Christian apologist to show the "other person" that his worldview has to borrow from Christianity to even make sense....

it's very interesting....

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 14 2010 5:44 PM

Robert Pavich:
.you should go to www.aomin.org and check out the account of Dr. James White's daughter summer and her amazing encounter with "Dr. Carter" who humiliated her in class repeatedly...

This and an article linked to it are clearly out of line - suits are the appropriate response. The only vaguely similar experience I've had of professors imposing their personal beliefs on the class was a conservative Christian biology professor who told us certain chemicals could not be made in the lab. These were chemicals that he saw as critical to the soup essential to the evolutionary view of the creation of life. Unfortunately, the week before I had learned how to make the chemicals in Honors Chemistry. Oops!

Robert Pavich:
all operate on their presuppositions, and recognizing that allows the Christian apologist to show the "other person" that his worldview has to borrow from Christianity to even make sense

I agree thoroughly with the idea that apologists need to start at the presuppositions - those agreed upon and those where they differ. And I am fascinated with some of the possibilities of this as a methodology. Having significant background in South Asian languages and the mix of friends that implies, I'm not sure I could argue "his worldview has to borrow from Christianity to even make sense" - especially since the world view of Protestants is so different from the world view of the rest of Christianity.

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John Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 14 2010 5:59 PM

MJ. Smith:
When I look at religion throughout the world and throughout history, I see a common drive to know God. To me, the inate pull towards God is a primary element of proving the existence of God. That same survey teaches me that a common element of that search, both by those graced by the knowledge of God's self-revelation and those ignorant of it , is the stripping away of presuppositions. It is true that in order to live in the world we must make assumptions - consciously or unconsciously. I have spent at least 40 years trying to make them conscious choices. And for a decade or so before that I was always questioning the basis for knowledge - long before I'd heard the term "epistimology".

I'm sure Bahnsen would have said that the merits of (van tillian) presuppositionalism and what he is claiming ultimately rest upon the teaching of Scripture, not personal anectdotes. For this, you would have to see how he treats Romans 1:18ff, Proverbs 1:7, Col. 2:3 etc. But since his works aren't on Logos, yet, you could rather look up what his teacher Cornelius Van Til had to say in works such as "The Defense of the Faith" and "A Survey of Christian Epistemology." However, Van Til was not a very good (clear) writer. His works are difficult, partly because his approach is difficult. And he takes a hard stand against Catholicism, which he defines broadly and philosophically. 

Bahnsen put the core of Van Til's philosophy in a much more user friendly package and it would be nice to see his work on Logos.

P.S. You could also look at some of Frame's work (who was also a student of Van Til and one of Bahnsen's teachers). He departs from Van Til (and Bahnsen) in some areas, but remains faithful to the principle.

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John Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 14 2010 6:07 PM

MJ. Smith:
Having significant background in South Asian languages and the mix of friends that implies, I'm not sure I could argue "his worldview has to borrow from Christianity to even make sense" - especially since the world view of Protestants is so different from the world view of the rest of Christianity.

Presuppositionalism sort of has it's own lingo that you have to decode here. The "Christian worldview" is actually just reality in a sense. Thus, a presuppositionalist could say that some pagan tribe which has never had contact with Christianity still "borrows" from the Christian worldview. In other words, it takes concepts which properly belong in the Christian (true) worldview and mixes those with it's faulty concepts.

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Darcy S. Van Horn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 8 2010 10:07 PM

Ted Hans:
I would love to see books by Greg L. Bahnsen in Logos. This guy will make you think even if you hate thinking! You do not have to agree with him to benefit from his writings. I am not sure if the late Greg L. Bahnsen has written more books than i list below (which is take from my paper Library). If so, then yes to more of his works. Thanks.   Ted     
  1. Presuppositional Apologetics: Stated and Defended by Greg L. Bahnsen and Joel McDurmon
  2. Homosexuality: A Biblical View by Greg L. Bahnsen
  3. Pushing the Antithesis: The Apologetic Methodology of Greg L. Bahnsen by Greg L. Bahnsen
  4. Always Ready: Directions for Defending the Faith by Greg L. Bahnsen
  5. By This Standard: The Authority of God's Law Todayby Greg L. Bahnsen
  6. Van Til's Apologetic: Readings and Analysis by Greg L. Bahnsen
  7. House Divided: The Break Up of Dispensational Theology (80017) by Greg L. Bahnsen and Jr. Kenneth L. Gentry
  8. Theonomy in Christian Ethics by Greg L. Bahnsen
  9. Victory in Jesus: The Bright Hope of Postmillennialism by Greg L. Bahnsen and Robert R. Booth
  10. No Other Standard: Theonomy and Its Critics by Greg L. Bahnsen
  11. The Standard Bearer: A Festschrift for Greg L. Bahnsen by Steven M. Schlissel

 

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Just wanted to 'bump' this request, as I too would really appreciate having Dr. Bahnsen's works in Logos!  Thanks for considering this, Logos.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 1:12 AM

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 3:57 AM

I don't know a lot of those books by Dr. Bahnsen, but of the ones I recognize....I heartily give a

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Daniel Bender | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 5:36 AM

Ted Hans:
I would love to see books by Greg L. Bahnsen in Logos. This guy will make you think even if you hate thinking! You do not have to agree with him to benefit from his writings. I am not sure if the late Greg L. Bahnsen has written more books than i list below (which is take from my paper Library). If so, then yes to more of his works. Thanks.   Ted     
  1. Presuppositional Apologetics: Stated and Defended by Greg L. Bahnsen and Joel McDurmon
  2. Homosexuality: A Biblical View by Greg L. Bahnsen
  3. Pushing the Antithesis: The Apologetic Methodology of Greg L. Bahnsen by Greg L. Bahnsen
  4. Always Ready: Directions for Defending the Faith by Greg L. Bahnsen
  5. By This Standard: The Authority of God's Law Todayby Greg L. Bahnsen
  6. Van Til's Apologetic: Readings and Analysis by Greg L. Bahnsen
  7. House Divided: The Break Up of Dispensational Theology (80017) by Greg L. Bahnsen and Jr. Kenneth L. Gentry
  8. Theonomy in Christian Ethics by Greg L. Bahnsen
  9. Victory in Jesus: The Bright Hope of Postmillennialism by Greg L. Bahnsen and Robert R. Booth
  10. No Other Standard: Theonomy and Its Critics by Greg L. Bahnsen
  11. The Standard Bearer: A Festschrift for Greg L. Bahnsen by Steven M. Schlissel

 

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Great suggestions Ted. I am not familiar with all of Bahnsen's works you list but would like to have access to them in Logos. Always Ready was required reading in my apologetics class and I have read it a couple more times since then.

 

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David C. Rowe | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 14 2010 8:45 AM

Thanks, Ted.  I would buy!

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Daryl Musson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 26 2011 7:11 PM

I would love to see books by Greg L. Bahnsen in Logos. This guy will make you think even if you hate thinking! You do not have to agree with him to benefit from his writings. I am not sure if the late Greg L. Bahnsen has written more books than i list below (which is take from my paper Library). If so, then yes to more of his works. Thanks.   Ted     

  1. Presuppositional Apologetics: Stated and Defended by Greg L. Bahnsen and Joel McDurmon
  2. Homosexuality: A Biblical View by Greg L. Bahnsen
  3. Pushing the Antithesis: The Apologetic Methodology of Greg L. Bahnsen by Greg L. Bahnsen
  4. Always Ready: Directions for Defending the Faith by Greg L. Bahnsen
  5. By This Standard: The Authority of God's Law Todayby Greg L. Bahnsen
  6. Van Til's Apologetic: Readings and Analysis by Greg L. Bahnsen
  7. House Divided: The Break Up of Dispensational Theology (80017) by Greg L. Bahnsen and Jr. Kenneth L. Gentry
  8. Theonomy in Christian Ethics by Greg L. Bahnsen
  9. Victory in Jesus: The Bright Hope of Postmillennialism by Greg L. Bahnsen and Robert R. Booth
  10. No Other Standard: Theonomy and Its Critics by Greg L. Bahnsen
  11. The Standard Bearer: A Festschrift for Greg L. Bahnsen by Steven M. Schlissel

 

 

Hear, Hear!!!!!  I just  found this discussion while looking for another!!!!!!!  I would LOVE to have Dr. Bahnsen's works available on L4!!!  Yes

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Eric Woernle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 6 2011 4:01 PM

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