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Dan | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 3 2014 8:09 PM

Has everyone bid on this yet: https://www.logos.com/product/8511/the-catholic-encyclopedia

We need to get this going!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 3 2014 8:17 PM

I'm in at $130. I would think half that price ($60 or $70) would be a very good price for this, and that's probably what it's going to take to get some momentum on this. Would people who are interested in it be willing to up your bids somewhat? Ideally to $60 or $70?

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 3 2014 8:25 PM

I placed my bid back in 2012 for $70.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 3 2014 8:52 PM

I bid $90, when it first came out on CP.

-Dan

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 6:00 AM

I'm in.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 7:18 AM

Dan:

Since the Catholic Encyclopedia is currently the third highest CP product when sorted by 'bestselling', in fact nearly "everyone" interested in the Encyclopedia and taking part in CP has bid on this. Logos says, I'm in on the going price since summer 2011 (really that long?).

At the current price of $30 it's at roughly thirty percent, so there are three possible scenarios to get it over 100%:

  • Every currently successful bidder recruits two others who are not currently successful bidders and are willing to pay the going price. For every one who doesn't share the load, the others do more (such as writing forum posts, sharing to their contacts etc). If successful, it will go over 100% at the going price of $30.
    Given the bestseller status, this may be a looooooong way to go - basically this may work if Verbum becomes a wonderful success among Catholics and the whole denominational structure of the Logos userbase shifts toward the RC spectrum. 
  • Every currently successful bidder rises his/her maximum bid to $100, at least. If successful, it will go over 100% at a price of $100. Some posters in this thread see a three-digit value in the resource. But since even the next price notch upward from $30 is less than 10%, this is very unlikely to catch on.
  • Logos lowers the production cost to a third of the current level - either by finding more efficient ways to create the resource (after all, electronic files and a kind of headword structure exist) or by "subsiding" it by calculating differently - actually Logos has put some CP products into Base Packages and paying customers will expect them to ship those regardless of CP; the Catholic Encyclopedia would be a nice part of Verbum packages and I had expected Logos to clear out those lingering CPs in this way. No one can predict such movements.

I'm pessimistic that any of the first two will happen in the near future, and since Bob knows about the situation and didn't take the third solution now when the Verbum 6 packges gave the perfect opportunity, this may linger on for some years to come.  

But maybe it's time to think outside the box: The Catholic Encyclopedia is available for free on the internet, and arguably a higher quality resource than Wikipedia. While online-only access is not a satisfactory solution for all users, it is a way that Logos 6 goes for many resources that would be too cumbersome to produce (scans of biblical manuscripts, atlas maps, art, presentation backgrounds, Wikipedia).

The code that allows Wikipedia to be shown, researched, marked up... should be easily adaptable to do the same for the online presence of Catholic Encyclopedia (aside: or the Vatican websites for CCC and other stuff that shortsighted copyright distribution takes away from international customers!) - and I'm convinced that solving this with online access code instead of resource creation will get us the resource much faster than even if it was standing at 100% right now.

So, root for a new feature in Verbum 6.1 (early 2015?) rather than a CP to go over and get shipped years later!    

   

 

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 9:16 AM

It is already available at books.logos.com.

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 11:34 AM

I made a personal book of it. I found a decent file, but I can't remember where (I'm on lunch at work right now). Certainly, there's no inter-resource tagging, but the headword milestones were fairly easy to implement. When compiled as one volume, it's a big mama at 100MB.

EDIT:  Aha, I do remember now: ccel.org.

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 4:41 PM

I'm in at $130 also.  Been there for a while as well.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 4 2014 6:49 PM

I've placed my bid and continue to wait.

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Matthew Langlois | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 16 2014 8:40 PM

Upped bid to $150.  Let's get this going folks!! :)

Peace

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 16 2014 8:59 PM

IMO this should have been included in some of the new L6 Verbum base packages, the way they included some of the other long-languishing CP reference works in BPs, namely A Dictionary of Christian Biography, Literature, Sects and Doctrine, the Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics, and the Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 19 2014 9:35 AM

www.ccel.org

Can you download books from www.ccel.org?

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S Craig Hufford | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 4 2015 11:20 PM

Yes. At least some of them. There is also an excellent post on how to include such books in your Verbum/Logos collections:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/85856/601771.aspx

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 6 2015 2:34 PM

S Craig Hufford:

Yes. At least some of them. There is also an excellent post on how to include such books in your Verbum/Logos collections:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/85856/601771.aspx

Active link:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/85856/601771.aspx

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 6 2015 2:51 PM

Steve:

S Craig Hufford:

There is also an excellent post on how to include such books in your Verbum/Logos collections:

[[and a dead link]]

Active link:

[[and a dead link[space] ]]

Craig: what Steve did was to put a space after the link.  That makes it active.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 6 2015 3:20 PM

David Ames:

Steve:

S Craig Hufford:

There is also an excellent post on how to include such books in your Verbum/Logos collections:

[[and a dead link]]

Active link:

[[and a dead link[space] ]]

Craig: what Steve did was to put a space after the link.  That makes it active.

This workaround is required due to a known bug in the forum software. We ought to be able to paste a URL in and click Post and have it turn automatically into a link, but that doesn't work unless you type a space after the URL.

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Anthony | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 14 2015 5:18 PM

[bump]

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2015 7:51 PM

It's looking like the CP bidding options should be redone.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2015 10:39 PM

What really needs to happen is this Item should be like gill and placed in verbum 7 packages so it can be made. I think this would  offer more value to Catholics than gill offers to Baptists. But I suppose that is all relative. 

Dan

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