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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:48 AM

Rosie Perera:

Chain stores are more likely to have corporate policies like this than independent establishments.

Let us also remember that the decision to provide and/or filter free wifi may be the decision of a FRANCHISEE and not of corporate. Taco Bells around here don't provide wifi at all. I just don't want us to get up in arms about a "corporate" policy when it may actually be a LOCAL policy.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 4:54 AM

Lynden Williams:

abondservant:
First amendment ensures our right to free speech.

To me this is even a greater reason not to block religious websites.



Agreed - however - it only protects us from the government's interference into our ability to speak freely. We have to protect ourselves from establishments which seek to do so. 


Interestingly Southern Baptists (the denomination I am a part of) were heavily involved with Thomas Jefferson RE this amendment, we also penned, and pushed for it around the country. The thinking being that in a fallen world, it will be better to have all religions banding together to protect free speech, than to have only the Christians; projecting that one day we (in the larger christian sense) may be in the minority. Plus they had just been a part of a country where one type of Christianity had been in charge, and had been bullying those who left (we call them the pilgrims) England and came to what became the USA. Further the "wall of separation" Jefferson talks about - is speaking in reference to protecting the church from government, not vice versa.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 5:35 AM

You know, you shouldn't use Logos forums to talk about a third-party company/conglomerate, especially negatively. It could cause some inconvenience. Please take it elsewhere.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 5:41 AM

AFAIK this is the case here.  Still disappointing.  

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 6:38 AM

For clarification: Thomas Jefferson died 30+ years before the SBC was born. 

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 7:35 AM

I don't mean to pry or give unsolicited advice, but as a pastor I can't imagine eating Taco Bell just before a service. :)

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 7:50 AM

alabama24:

For clarification: Thomas Jefferson died 30+ years before the SBC was born. 



Certainly - but those who worked with Jefferson, discipled the people that went on to found, or lead within the SBC. 

Further if I remember right, the churches that were involved with this subsequently went on to become a part of the SBC. 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 8:24 AM

abondservant:

Lynden Williams:

abondservant:
First amendment ensures our right to free speech.

To me this is even a greater reason not to block religious websites.



Agreed - however - it only protects us from the government's interference into our ability to speak freely. We have to protect ourselves from establishments which seek to do so. 


Interestingly Southern Baptists (the denomination I am a part of) were heavily involved with Thomas Jefferson RE this amendment, we also penned, and pushed for it around the country. The thinking being that in a fallen world, it will be better to have all religions banding together to protect free speech, than to have only the Christians; projecting that one day we (in the larger christian sense) may be in the minority. Plus they had just been a part of a country where one type of Christianity had been in charge, and had been bullying those who left (we call them the pilgrims) England and came to what became the USA. Further the "wall of separation" Jefferson talks about - is speaking in reference to protecting the church from government, not vice versa.

It wasn't really the Southern Baptists, but the Danbury (CT) Baptists.  Yes, it was designed to protect the churches.  The Danbury Bapttists were concerned that the Federal government might interfere in their practice of religion, but Jefferson assured them that would not be the case (hence his "wall of separation."  Today, however, some would like to stand that on its head and prohibit religious participation in government when what is stated in the 1st Amendment is that freedom of religion shall not be impaired.  The only restriction in that regard was that there was to be no ESTABLISHED church after the style of the Church of England.

BTW:  Lee, this is about Logos software since we have the Constitution of the United States as well as the Federalist Papers and Thomas Paine's Common Sense.  So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Silver Hawk | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 8:33 AM

abondservant:
Interestingly Southern Baptists (the denomination I am a part of) were heavily involved with Thomas Jefferson RE this amendment,
Thomas Jefferson? .... Thomas Jefferson?

You really want to choose him as your standard bearer after the hack job he perpetrated  and called it a Bible translation. Blasphemy!

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 8:39 AM

abondservant:
First amendment ensures our right to free speech.

This is most definitely not a First Amendment issue: These establishments are not interfering with your free speech rights; they are merely limiting your access to someone else's free speech.

We have more serious First Amendment issues in this country than free access to wifi in an eating establishment.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 8:46 AM

Everyone has the right to speak.  No one has the right to demand that Taco Bell pay for that speech.  And no one has the right to demand that me to eat at Taco Bell.  Thank God for all of that.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 8:50 AM

Silver Hawk:

abondservant:
Interestingly Southern Baptists (the denomination I am a part of) were heavily involved with Thomas Jefferson RE this amendment,
Thomas Jefferson? .... Thomas Jefferson?

You really want to choose him as your standard bearer after the hack job he perpetrated  and called it a Bible translation. Blasphemy!

He didn't call it a translation.  He used the Authorized Version for his compilation.  It was basically a précis of Jesus' moral system.  We have many such works which deal with biblical subjects in one area.  I think your opposition to Jefferson is misplaced.  There are many with whom I disagree (some of which I would consider really blasphemous) in one area or another, but that doesn't mean that I throw out everything they ever wrote.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 8:55 AM

George Somsel:
There are many with whom I disagree (some of which I would consider really blasphemous) in one area or another, but that doesn't mean that I throw out everything they ever wrote.

If we did we would have very thin libraries.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 9:09 AM

Jack Caviness:

abondservant:
First amendment ensures our right to free speech.

This is most definitely not a First Amendment issue: These establishments are not interfering with your free speech rights; they are merely limiting your access to someone else's free speech.

We have more serious First Amendment issues in this country than free access to wifi in an eating establishment.

agreed - was just explaining.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 9:14 AM

Silver Hawk:

abondservant:
Interestingly Southern Baptists (the denomination I am a part of) were heavily involved with Thomas Jefferson RE this amendment,
Thomas Jefferson? .... Thomas Jefferson?

You really want to choose him as your standard bearer after the hack job he perpetrated  and called it a Bible translation. Blasphemy!



No... But certain SBC historians do claim the Danbury Baptist Association as being proto-SBC, and they did in fact work with Jefferson on the first amendment. I'd have to look it up, but IIRC Madison borrowed heavily (my prof said flat plagiarized) a state constitutions amendment that had been penned by a southern (geographically) baptist, who would go on to be a part of the SBC.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 9:19 AM

George Somsel:

Lee, this is about Logos software since we have the Constitution of the United States as well as the Federalist Papers and Thomas Paine's Common Sense.  So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I laughed so hard I had to clean soda off my display. Thanks for that George :)

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Silver Hawk | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 9:25 AM

During the Enlightenment period, religious dogma was seriously questioned.  Thomas Jefferson was one of America's a leading critics of Judeo-Christian orthodoxy.  Indeed Jefferson's skepticism was so profound that he could not be described as a Christian in the conventional meaning of the word.  Jefferson did not believe in the divinity of Christ, nor did he believe that Christ had performed miracles.  Jefferson did, however, believe in a "superintending power" in the universe, and that Jesus was a great reformer and moral leader.  In one of his many letters to John Adams, Jefferson remarked:

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter.  But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 10:57 AM

Every religion wants religious freedom .... except for the other major religions.  I'd suspect the limitations have nothing to do with Christian sites.


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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 11:12 AM

Abram K-J:

I don't mean to pry or give unsolicited advice, but as a pastor I can't imagine eating Taco Bell just before a service. :)

Yeah you don't want a pastor eating at Taco Bell,starts his sermon and all of the sudden the choir starts signing behind him and I don't mean the actual choir Stick out tongue

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 8 2014 11:13 AM

Lynden Williams:

abondservant:
First amendment ensures our right to free speech.

To me this is even a greater reason not to block religious websites.

Not a US citizen but my understanding is a bar or restaurant has a right to refuse service to anyone they please. So i can not see how banning access to sites (a free service they are offering) is much different than a sign saying no shirt no shoes no service). Could they not argue religious freedom. The owner may be Buddhist and allowing access violates his beliefs. It is a shame that Politics and Religion are being lumped in with Porn, but I know of people who would be more offended by religion than porn. And from all I have seen in US politics it is a particularly divisive thing with plenty of mud slinging on both sides. In Canada I have not encountered these issues, although I have heard of the porn filters being bad in that Breast cancer sights have sometimes been blocked.  Indeed when i was having Download issues (i believe due to internet speed issues). I went to my closet Walmart and being that I am handicapped was able to gain access in the parking lot and downloaded 6 GB of Logos updates while i was shopping. Had it been blocked I would not have complained because I understand their possible reasoning. In Canada theses days there is more than a little talk about radicalization of people of the Muslim faith. By blocking all religious sights a restaurant may be seeing themselves as preventing their property and services as being used to commit a crime. Most Muslims are not terrorist, the majority of Christians are not either. But occasionally people use the anonymity of a public wifi to conceal behaviour that is illegal. Before I boycotted a business, I would want to talk to a manager to find out the reasoning behind these actions and if needed what steps they are prepared to take to remedy the situation.

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