Bug:אֱלוֹהַּ and Morphology chart

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 17 2014 1:32 PM

The morphology chart only brings up one instance of Eloah.  I'm assuming this is a bug unless I'm doing something wrong.  It also list it as plural (2 Kings 17:31) which I'm assuming is wrong as well (syntactically it is plural but singular morphologically).  Thanks for the help!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 2:13 PM

Morphologies vary between singular and plural. Logos Hebrew Morph has singular but see LHB for the passage you cite.

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 2:48 PM

Thanks for the reply Dave.  I'm not sure exactly what you mean.   I thought the Logos Hebrew morphology is based on the LHB.  LHB and AFAT have eloah tagged as singular in 2 Kings 17:31.  BHS tags as plural but I believe that is because it is using the qere not the ketiv.  

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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 3:38 PM

Yes, there is one or more bugs going on here. At least one, I am told, has been addressed in internal builds (to do with unnecessary conversions between lemma data type references that causes some significant loss of hits). But there may be another issue with K/Q pairs not being handled well (note how this result is showing the K surface form, but the Q analysis - for both the morph and the lemma). I'll make a ticket for this case. Thanks!

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 17 2014 3:52 PM

Thanks Vincent!

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 21 2015 2:57 PM

Faithlife.  Can you respond to this old thread as this seems to still be an issue??

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 27 2015 10:09 PM

Bump

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Michael Meiser (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 28 2015 1:03 PM

I am not sure where this stands as I do not do any of the development of the software, but I do want to offer an alternative option that accomplishes the same task with better results. 

Instead of using the Morph Charts, use a regular morph search instead. 

You can then change the view to analysis and organize the chart primarily by "lemma" and secondarily by "number." (Or whatever other morph data you want to sort by) 

This search catches both the Qere reading and the Kethiv reading in the LHB for 1 Kings 17:31.

Hope this helps.

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 2 2015 3:01 PM

Does anyone have an idea why Faithlife refuses to respond to this Bug??

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Eli Evans (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 3 2015 9:19 AM

Lankford Oxendine:
Does anyone have an idea why Faithlife refuses to respond to this Bug??

Hi, Lankford. We have an open ticket for it in our bug tracking database which has produced some investigation and discussion, but we have not yet identified the exact failure point(s). In the meantime, this forum thread is linked to the ticket and will be updated whenever we have a fix in place. I'm sorry for the inconvenience and that we didn't respond to the thread in a timely way. Thanks!

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 3 2015 9:26 AM

Thanks for the reply.

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Bob Densmore | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 17 2019 1:33 PM

I submitted an issue for this very thing, just a few days ago.  The Morph Chart Interactive is inaccurate when it comes to Eloah.  Of course, I got nowhere.  They are saying its not an issue.  This is almost 4 years later than your last post.  Not very good.

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 17 2019 6:42 PM

I've stop using the morphology chart because I'm not sure that it can be trusted.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 17 2019 6:59 PM

Lankford Oxendine:

I've stop using the morphology chart because I'm not sure that it can be trusted.

Do you have other examples to show that it is corrupt?

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 17 2019 8:15 PM

Beloved:

Lankford Oxendine:

I've stop using the morphology chart because I'm not sure that it can be trusted.

Do you have other examples to show that it is corrupt?

I don't but like I said, I don't use it because I'm not sure where or what the problem is.  It's hard to believe that it is only isolated to one word.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2019 7:23 AM

Lankford Oxendine:

Beloved:

Lankford Oxendine:

I've stop using the morphology chart because I'm not sure that it can be trusted.

Do you have other examples to show that it is corrupt?

I don't but like I said, I don't use it because I'm not sure where or what the problem is.  It's hard to believe that it is only isolated to one word.

Vincent,

Kindly follow through on your reply of 5 yrs. ago and address this bug and any other instances to restore confidence in the consistency of this feature in Logos.

Thanks!

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 18 2019 8:09 PM

I'm sorry we've not improved this important feature since we released it. As we've looked into it, we've discovered that there's not really an easy fix to the issues that have been reported. We have a new spec to rewrite this interactive as an Inflected Forms guide section for the Bible Word Study Guide. We were hoping to get to it in Q3 and ship it in Q4, but we're not sure yet if we'll have the capacity for it. It's not looking likely at this point, unfortunately. But there is a slim chance we'll be able to squeeze it in. If we don't get to it this year, it's a good candidate for Logos 9. I'm sorry these problems have persisted for so long.

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