Why did Joseph and Mary stay in Bethlehem for 2+ years after Jesus was born?

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 3 2020 5:06 AM

Bryan S.:

So the wise men had LESS THAN FORTY DAYS to visit Jesus in Bethlehem, or He would have been gone to Jerusalem. After that, He would have been back in Nazareth for a short time, and then in Egypt for a period of time.

Question: How far is it from Bethlehem to Jerusalem?  [[Answer: about 5 miles]] They would not have had to MOVE to Jerusalem only walked to the Temple and then returned home to Bethlehem after the Ceremony. 

Next question: Did Luke cover everything? [John admits that he did not cover everything.] Did Luke perhaps not know of the time in Egypt?  Mathew traveled with Jesus.  Paul did not.  Luke joined Paul some time latter.  Mathew had the opportunity to question or hear the stories that Mary told.  Luke did not have that opportunity.  Assuming that Luke did interview Mary - How thoroughly did he question "the mother of his Lord"?   

Bryan S.:

The passage says the wise men asked, “Where is he that is born King of the Jews?” They were looking for the King that was newly born. They were not looking for a two year old boy.

Is not one 'born to be king' still 'born to be king' many many years after his birth?  

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 3 2020 9:41 AM

The text of Matthew 3:11 says the Magi saw a "child" (παιδίον) not a "baby" (βρέφος)  as in Luke 2:16.  I think that, along with much other circumstantial evidence, makes it most natural to understand that they remained in Jerusalem several years.  Just my opinion.

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 3 2020 5:32 PM

I always assumed St. Joseph found work while St. Mary was recovering from childbirth. Maybe they made plans to stay if he did well enough?

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Seung O Choi | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2020 8:46 PM

"HAD LESS THAN FORTY DAYS..."?
Hm..The fact mentioned that Mary offered the offering of the poor (Luke 2:24). If she had received previously the gifts of the Magi, particularly the gold, we may suppose that she would have used it to provide a better offering.

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Liam Maguire | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 12:04 AM

Mike Childs:
The text of Matthew 3:11 says the Magi saw a "child" (παιδίον) not a "baby" (βρέφος)  as in Luke 2:16

personally, I don’t find this argument convincing and is at best inconclusive, as I think it assumes a level of technical precision in the Greek that is just not there. A child may be a baby as much a baby may be a child. 

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My own view is that each position has strengths and weaknesses forming an unresolvable tension this side of new creation. And since neither position has any significance doctrinal impact (only effecting the reading of a tiny portion of Luke and Matthew, I see no point in being hardline about it. I’m in the evangelical minority who believe that the Magi visited Jesus as a newborn baby - mainly disagree And that’s fine by me. 

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 4:06 AM

Wow 6 years and another thread gets resurrected.  It allows me to time travel 🧭 🧳 in my mind of course 😂 no secret watches or time machines.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 7:11 PM

Liam Maguire:
My own view is that each position has strengths and weaknesses forming an unresolvable tension this side of new creation. And since neither position has any significance doctrinal impact (only effecting the reading of a tiny portion of Luke and Matthew, I see no point in being hardline about it. I’m in the evangelical minority who believe that the Magi visited Jesus as a newborn baby - mainly disagree And that’s fine by me. 

I certainly agree with your statement that "I see no point in being hardline about it."  I do find the use of "child" (παιδίον) to be more convincing that you, but not conclusive, I agree.  But with the other details in Matthew, I think it unlikely that there was a quick return to Nazareth after the birth.

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