If I had a million dollars (to grow Logos Bible Software)...

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Sam Shaw | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 24 2010 4:19 PM

It sounds like you have some great ideas, like expanding your product's appeal to a greater audience ("Keyboarding the entire Patrologia Graeca") and more advertising.

While I would love your business to grow, I also really like hearing that you're interested in hiring more software developers. I just hope that whoever you hire has a passion for developing extremely user-friendly software. One of the most important pieces of wisdom that should be stressed to any software developer that's developing a GUI is to "Use concrete metaphors and make them plain, so that users have a set of expectations to apply to computer environments." (Apple Human Interface Guidelines) I'm sure you've heard it before, but I don't think easy operability can be stressed enough.

And thank you for your passion that lets us take advantage of such a great product!

P.S. In case you felt like the quote wasn't very helpful, an example of a metaphor for software such as Logos would be to create a sort of Library viewing option (it is library management software, after all) that would display collections of books in virtual bookshelves (like BestCommentaries.com does).

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Frank Sauer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 24 2010 5:20 PM

I know one thing that could potentially be very attractive to many people who could be future purchasers of Logos.

1- While Logos offers many packages, the one common thread I have heard when sharing the packages with Bible College students is that there are so many resources that are not going to be used. Many would like just one or two good Original Language resources and all the Bibles, Commentaries and Church History related materials as a great Student starter package.

Currently a lot of the top Church History items are in the high priced packages, same with many commentaries and I've heard a lot about the redundancy of sermon/preaching resources as well as OL resources. These are resources that the common response is that would be things purchased after they get deeper into Bible College or starting in ministry.

Personally I can see some of this in my own decisions on to upgrade or not to upgrade. Early Church Fathers which is a great resource for a student and all believers is not available until you get to Silver. Most students and common users do not have a church budget for books/software, thus making this above realistic investment at the time.

Is there a package that can be created that would eliminate a lot of the "fluff" resources and give less resource but all basics built on bibles/commentaries/history/apologetics type resources???

Investing the money in this kind of package could open the door to a lot more people who look at the other resources like OL and Sermon/Preaching as fluff or above their needs, some even scared off by it...

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Fred Greco | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 24 2010 8:08 PM

Jon Rumble:

Joe Miller:

4. Website improvements to ensure pre-pubs and all orders can be downloaded with L4 and no more requirements to ship. Also integrating POS options for locked books into the L4 UI.

5. Hire part time web developer/moderator just for the Forum ( and wiki) which is a large part of the Logos support strategy and needs some attention.

I think it would be worth spending the entire $1 million (or more) to completely redevelop your websites. The way I see it, your website is your shopfront and at present it is functional but ugly - 'busy-ness', colour coordination, font selection and consistency, lack of graphics.

When purchasing bible software I'm sure people take into account all sorts of factors - and hopefully fully explore the capabilities of the program - but first impressions are very important! To be sure it could be a whole lot worse (gramcord.org) but it could also be a lot better! The marketing material like the videos is very slick and well done, I think the website needs the same treatment. As a sort of thought experiment; put your feet in the shoes of Jo Lay-Christian -a very large market- go to logos.com and the website for the very recently released program aimed at this market.. what do you think? On the one hand some of the web based stuff Logos is doing (library.logos.com, cloud syncing) is cutting edge and revolutionary.... ... but some money needs to go into the design side of things too Smile

As well as the aesthetic improvements, I think it would be worth investigating web-based mechanisms like formal bug reporting, support systems that allow for submitting support tickets online (depending on how you currently manage your customer support it could have some follow through cost savings), a better forum platform.

That's my 2 cents...

I also think that a better web presence would  be worth an investment.  The website is currently not on a par with the program.

And I understand the difficult hard costs involved in help and customer service.  Logos has built up an incredible cadre of users who are happy to help new customers.  Leverage that.  To be blunt: the current forum is horrible for serious help.  The search function is very inferior, and the lack of multiple fora makes it almost impossible to find anything.  After I run a couple of (usually useless) searches, I simply (re)post my question.  How much could vBulletin cost?  It is (for example) far more robust, and searchable.  You could even further leverage user base help by giving credits for4 new material for time spent on the forum answering questions.

I would continue to expand to base markets.  While an individual resource might be excellent (and I might clamor for it), what will it actually mean in terms of new business?  I would LOVE Patrologica Graeca or Loebs, but really, how many users is that going to bring?  Are gobs of Classicists (if that many even exist, speaking as a former one) going to buy Logos instead of use Perseus?  I think not.  So maybe a better way to link into Perseus via the web (at less cost) is better.  Would you really want to focus the company's future on doing everything to bring Mac platform up to speed?  It might be nice, but it is still 2-5% of the computer market in the US, and almost zero in emerging markets (China, India).

No way would I pay anyone to watch a video.  If you really want seminary distribution, give a significant discount to a seminary student who sends you a new customer.  Same for profs and pastors.

By the way, Bob, I like that you are thinking about this. It only make sense to step away from the current tasks to look to the future.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 24 2010 8:25 PM

Frank Sauer:

Is there a package that can be created that would eliminate a lot of the "fluff" resources and give less resource but all basics built on bibles/commentaries/history/apologetics type resources???

How about an alternative pricing mechanism -- in addition to predefined packages like we have now, allow for an "a la carte" discount e.g. when you purchase > $x of resources OR > y number of resources at original price, you get a certain % of discount.

Peter

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David Buckham | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2010 2:26 PM

My two cents would be a $50 base package or a massively free package that includes several public domain books, even if the public domain books are already available as a paid resource through Logos. This makes Logos more of a workable demo. You may not be able to do "x" with this book (like you could if you had the full version) but you can do "y".

I live in a rural area. I am an ambassador for Logos. I get hit with the I use the other software because it is free or it is cheaper.

Maybe Logos could do something completely non-Logos software related with a million dollars? Give a matching donation (with Logos users) to an important cause or causes.

Print a Logos Cook-off Cook book...maybe use some Logos user recipes (or at least give us an extra Bible Study Magazine edition with all the recipes).

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Stephen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2010 3:23 PM

From reading everyone else's post made me do some thinking:

1. The ideas of a bible study institute I really like. I don't have the time or money to go to seminary. Most of the learning I have to do is either done on my own or online. I've taken several online classes and really enjoyed them. I am waiting for the videos for using Logos to study greek and hebrew to be completed. If you could also produce videos/classes on different topics like Inductive bible study/bible study methods would be great. I would also like to see some on sermon preparation. There are many of us preaching that have not had the opportunity to get formal education in these areas and would welcome any help we can get. I would rather learn how to use Logos to accomplish this as that's where most of my resources and don't want to learn inductive bible study and then try to figure out how to do that in Logos, learning at the same time would be great.

2. Create a user generated content area for sharing sermons/notes/lessons ect. There are many websites for sermons/templates for ppt ect. If Logos had an area where users could share content they generate then we could help each other (much like this forum). make it with the ability to share notes/outlines ect right from Logos and then be able to search the user generated content from within Logos.

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Stephen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2010 3:48 PM

Oh yea, I think someone already mentioned it but create a book store much like Apple's app store for the iPhone. This would allow user to create/write books using PBB (once it works with Logos 4) and the submit them and have them sold in the book store. You could do a split much like apple does with developers. While this might now be a great revenue generator it would cause people to get Logos just to get the book store ability. Apple's main use for the App store is to get people to buy iPhone/iPod touch. As more users started using Logos that would mean more potential customers for Logos created books.

Churches could also use it to create digital versions of lesson plans/study/books for their members. You could then start subscriptions (i.e. Bible Study magazine) for periodicals or Churches could have a small subscription fee to get digital copies of sermon notes/lesson plans for their services. Again, while this in itself might not be a great revenue generator it would get more people using Logos. Especially if you have a very basic base package (6 bibles, 5 basic commentaries, strongs) with a very minimal number of resources. The average believer doesn't necessarily use a lot of the resources you have. price point about $25.00. If they wanted more resources they could purchase them. With the additional basic users it would create a larger audience for the Bible study institute/video lessons. As they began to use Logos more they would want to know how do I study the bible with logos? inductive bible study. Lesson preparation for home cell groups/Sunday school teachers. Practical application of doing word studies with Logos. All the lesson would need some practical application and lesson assignments. Walk them through building a bible study on prayer from start to finish and them have them build another study on their own (assignment). You could eventually grow this into an online school. I'd love to go to one of Morris Proctor's seminars but they can be limited. the closest one to me is about 4 hours away. It's also during the week and at a critical time at work where I can't take the time off. This means I a have to wait 6 months to a year to where it would be close enough and cost effective for me to attend. I know he has the videos of the seminars but I don't really want videos of a seminar. I'd rather have structured lessons.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2010 3:58 PM

StephenWeasler:
Create a user generated content area for sharing sermons/notes/lessons ect.

Do you know that sermons are already sharable and that there have been indications that more user-generated content will be sharable? In the past some as been shared in the files forum. StillTruth provides a common download site but there have been previous suggestions that this fuction be taken over by Logos. You are not alone in your wishes.

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Stephen DeKuyper | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2010 11:50 PM

I know I am repeating, but here they are anyway:

- Have a strategic team to research and stay on top of alternative and new delivery methods - IPhone, Kindle, Linux, Apple Tablet, Blackberry, smartphones etc. I think the Mac roll out is going far too slow and seems to have been an afterthought.

- Deliver via online subscription service. Great for those who may not have the internal computing or network (ie download) capacity, those who want to easily access from different computers (work, home, travel) or those who just prefer cloud computing and the advantages that come with it. Gives the ability to "rent" resources instead of having to commit to them. Offer a 30-day free online trial. Great way to test drive.

- Different package options including a lower end package. Not everyone needs 1,000 resources to do their study. It can make it very daunting for some. I realize there are already a number of packages, but I found it overwhelming/confusing to try to figure out which ones.

- Offer lower-cost packages/sponsorship for qualified students, seminaries and missionaries. Could be under "bulk" licensing.

- Expand non-English resources - Chinese, Russian etc.

- I would like to have my seminary text books in Logos so I can use them for the course and then for future reference.

- Create a good note taking and lesson and sermon preparation module. Many are studying the Bible to use it in their work/ministry, so give them the tools to do so efficiently.

- Consider other multi-media that would also be useful for pastors of small churches, church-planters, missionaries or traveling teachers who could use an all-in-one resource to create all of their bulletins, handouts, presentation materials, worship etc. I realize that these are at the core of Logos, but I am sure many Logos customers could use them.

 

Stephen

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Tim Deahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 2:58 AM

Mostly, I appreciate your direct contact with the user! I have been with Logos since the earliest floppies became available--and I enjoy demonstrating its capabilities for others and recommending it. I haven't felt like the promo videos do much for the non-user. What they ask for is less expensive (and in reality, less expansive) packages: "I just want to be able to read and search the Bible and a few basic tools." discounted offers or upgrades work wonders, at least they have for me as well as for those in my Logos circle.

I appreciate the voluminous list of resources (and of course want more), but even a few hundred books becomes rather overwhelming. Focus on making it as affordable as possible and for attracting new users, basic. Thanks for the greatest product on the market.

 

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Simon | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 3:34 AM

In my opinion the best way to attract new users, is to have a basic package that is free, so users can see what they get when they buy a package. Just include some public domain resources, that are also in other bible-studie-software packages that you can download from the internet for free (like E-Sword). So include at least:

 

  1. KJV (and in each language at least one public domain bible translation)
  2. A public domain Greek and Hebrew text
  3. Strongs dictionary
  4. Some free images / timelines / etc (just a few, so users can get an idea, with the message "you get plenty more when you buy one of our packages)
  5. Maybe a small public domain bible dictionary and a small commentary, so users can get an idea of how those work in Logos

 

I think it wouldn't cost you a million bucks to offer, but I believe it will attract a lot of new buyers.

 

Another idea is, to create an "upgrade adviser". Just a long list with all the books that are included in all the packages. Let the user select (with a checkbox) the books he want to buy, and let the "upgrade adviser" calculate the worth of the books when bought seperate, and advise the best fitting package.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 4:40 AM

I would,

  • Expand Logos' presence on the forums. Hire an ombudsman who's responsibility is to quickly react to customers on the forum. This person would also be able to attend planning meetings to help represent the pulse of the customer base. (I'm not saying Logos doesn't do this wonderfully already, but as your company grows it will probably get harder and harder.)
  • Make a free package (as suggested elsewhere on this thread) to remove the "I can get it free elsewhere" mentality of the lay market
  • Come out with a $20 to $50 package of quality, under copyright works that can be used to make a case for paying for higher quality information and transition into the existing packages.
  • Expand marketing to professors, create tools that can be used to get primary texts into Logos with a collaborative processes to get the cost of said text down. The work gets started by volunteers (professors and other interested parties) and gets finished/quality checked by Logos.
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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 7:27 AM

StephenWeasler:

Oh yea, I think someone already mentioned it but create a book store much like Apple's app store for the iPhone. 

That was me. iPhone apps are so popular because they are easy to get. iTunes music/videos/etc are so often purchased because doing so is seemless and pretty darn close to thoughtless. 

Logos purchasing on the other hand is far from this. Make purchasing out of L4 and out of the iPhone app a more integrated experience. For students, simply put the academic pricing in there. There should be no need to call customer support to purchase books. I hate calling in, but I often have to, simply to take advantage of the academic discount. This is a waste of my time (leading me sometimes to just not buy the book due to inconvenience) and certainly a much more expensive waste of your time.It takes academic sales 5-15 minutes for me to purchase a single book (often <$50). You can't be making money on that deal. Spend a little to generate sales and make customer service all that more unnecessary. As I've said before, I know a number of people who own Logos base package but have never purchsed another book because they didn't know how or couldn't figure it out. Missing out on a huge revenue stream.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 7:47 AM

Here's what I'd do:

  • Spend a good chunk of money on recruiting excellent R&D specialists and biblical scholars. Logos 4 is full of features I didn't know I needed and wouldn't have asked for.
  • As many others have said, make the entry point lower. Now the forums are up and running properly, you can support non-paying (or even low-paying) customers through this site. I'd lower the entry point by:
    • Making it more obvious that you can download/install desktop Logos for free, with the 30-odd books you get on the iPhone version. I'd have this as a 'base package'.
    • Employing someone to create/run a PBB market. People could submit PBB files to logos.com, where they could be reviewed, etc. You could do some very simple quality control, and avoid duplicate resources and competing resources. All these community created resources would be free to download.
    • Creating a lower-priced entry level package at around $100 with less resources.
  • I'd also add in-app purchasing for both iPhone and desktop versions. This will help free/cheap buyers upgrade easily. The in-app purchaser should be able to cope with academic and other discounts.
  • Provide better, visible customer support. Your support is excellent, but its not always visibly excellent. I'd create a team whose job it was to publicly 'connect' with customers. Basically, it would enhance the great value of this forum:
    • Two members of staff in different timezones to answer questions in this forum.
    • People to develop more publicly accountable means of making Logos better. For example, a voting site to vote for new books to encourage Logos and possibly put pressure on publishers. Or creating a more accessible list of bug fixes. Or a site which shows what's happened to our typo reports, and when resources were updated.
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Stephen Paynter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 12:36 PM

There has been some discussion about how much cheaper than at present the entry level package should be. Personally, I am strongly of the opinion that the best way for Logos to be used by more people ... especially if one of the aims is reach the average person sitting in the pew ... is for the entry option to be free. I say this knowing that this will probably be bad news for eSword, which I have a soft spot for, because it was the first Bible study software I ever used.

Actually, this was how I first used Logos-3: I "purchased" a free book (the Gospel Coalition documents) ... and downloaded the free Logos engine. I would never buy software I wasn't sure would run on my computer - especially over the internet, and I suspect I'm not alone in this. It was only because I had seen eSword that I had an inkling of what Logos would be able to do ... therefore I eventually plunged for the Original Languages base-product, as I thought this would best support my academic research.

This target group, however, will not have this academic motivation ... and may not have experience of eSword ... so how would they know they could benefit from Logos, unless there was a free version to play with? Logos shouldn't have to build its user base on the assumption that people know eSword!!

A few select basic public-domain documents (creeds, commentaries, dictionaries) (like one has on e-Sword) - or ones totally owned by Logos - should be given away with a couple of popular Bibles, so that someone could learn to love Logos ... and want the better resources. I agree with an earlier commentator, better integration of "sales" with L4 should make this migration into being a purchaser of L4 resources as painless as possible for the user.

Then there should be an attractive general user base-package for somewhere between $10 and $30; to capture those who think that anything worth having has to be bought. This only has to have a relatively small number of desirable popular resources not in the free version.

That is how I would like to see the $1 million spent for the growth of Logos.

This on a modern e-Reader could really capture a large market.

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2010 9:54 PM

Wow -- all this feedback is fantastic. I really appreciate it!

Since so many of you have mentioned free or less-expensive starter packages, I'd like to comment on it.

We've tried a variety of trial versions, starter packs, and very inexpensive starter versions. (Granted, some of these experiments were many years ago.) Our experience is that offering free products identifies people who like free things. Offering $20 products identifies people who'll spend $20. Few (if any) of these people ever upgrade.

Offering a $250+ package identifies people who care enough to invest "real money", and they come back and upgrade, buy more books, etc. at a much higher rate.

The e-Sword web site, for example, advertises 9 million downloads. To the best of my knowledge, e-Sword is one guy, Rick Meyers, who works at home. Rick seems like a great guy, and it sounds like he has a great time and provides a wonderful tool for millions of people.

But building and supporting Logos takes 175+ people. We don't serve anywhere near 9 million people, but we're able to deliver more books, more features, more support, etc. -- and feed the big team that requires.

Of course, nine million users sounds great. So we do keep experimenting with free low end stuff. http://bible.logos.com is free, and the Logos iPhone app offers 31 books simply for registering. In three months our iPhone app has had a number of downloads equal to three years of new customers for our desktop software. And some of those people have bought Logos 4.

But the total sales volume of new users found via the free iPhone app hasn't yet covered our iPhone development costs. 

So keep the ideas coming -- including the ideas of how to make free / freemium work -- but feel free to also send ideas on how to find more people willing to invest in a real (and real useful) digital library. :-)

Or how to offer even more compelling value to our existing "serious" (and funny, clever, handsome) user base: you.

-- Bob

 

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Jim VanSchoonhoven | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2010 12:07 AM

I have a couple of questions based on Bob's comments.  How many of you Logos users also have one of the free programs like E-Sword or The Word???

I know that I own Logos today because I first saw the usefulness of electronic bible study through E-Sword and the Online Bible.  Those programs gave me the idea that this idea of electronic bible study was worth paying to get the resources that I could only get through Logos.

If I had ever seen a free Logos program and could have started out with a program like Logos 2 or 3, I would have started spending money on more resources sooner.  The way things were I was afraid to try Logos, what if I didn't like it??? 

How many of you Logos users have ever seen a free Logos program and package?

How many of you would love to be able to hand a free Logos 3 or 4 program and a small package to one or more of your friends?

Now the truth is I think this attacks only part of the problem that we are faced with today.  The main problem is actually that the average believer does not understand how much a bible software can help him to understand the Word of God,  I am all for a limited give away, for people to use. Currently I use The Word and give out 100's of copies each year, but I also show people how to use the program, and that is what sells them on bible study.  Muybiggest problem currently is getting believers that are using the Word to convert to Logos.  The Word is a very good program and after getting started using it, most people want to keep using what they are comfortable with.  If I could start people out on a small but free Logos package, they would not have to change, they would only have to be shown all the resourcs that Logos carries and start adding to the package they already have.  Logos would have a life time friend and they would have a system they would never out grow.

The way things are now, the Word works so well and they are so comfortable with it that they are afraid to change and start putting money into products they have never used.

If you really want to sell more Logos programs people have to be shown what it can really do and be allowed to try it out for a very small investment or none at all. 

For now I will keep giving The Word away and teaching believers how to use it.  There must be nearly 1000 modules on line for it now, and it does bible and book searches has a note taking feature, allows you to put your own public domain books in it and search them, and hyper-link references, you can also make your own collection groups.  Oh and you can save your layouts!

It is not near the level of Logos, in function or resources, but it isn't no E-Sword or Online Bible either.  Until Logos gives me a tool to compete with it, I will have to use the tool I have to introduce members of the body to electronic bible study!

In Christ,

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2010 1:17 AM

JimVanSchoonhoven:
If you really want to sell more Logos programs people have to be shown what it can really do and be allowed to try it out for a very small investment or none at all. 

An additional observation of this. Logos' resources are aimed primarily at "evangelicals" (I use the term loosely) and scholars despite their pairing with Lutheran, Catholic and Jewish presses. As a Catholic, I have available software from the Vatican (free), a multi-edition Vulgate package (also free), and a very inexpensive apologetics and faith formation package. Some of these resources I have converted to PBB's to have them in Logos ... others I continue to use the side packages.

I would recommend Logos to any fellow parishioner with an interest in or knowledge of Greek and/or Hebrew. For the others, I would always steer them first to one of the free packages not because of price but because of the resources available with them.  I would always refer to Logos as a superior product which they might wish to invest in eventually.

Example of resources - free package: Vulgata Clementina, Douay-Rheims, Crampon, Louis Segond, Glossa Ordinaria, New Vulgate, Stuttgart Vulgate and Whitaker's Words. I chose this particular example because I expect that Logos will move more into the Latin, given their Aramaic, Syriac and Coptic resources. [and, yes, 2 Vulgates and the Douay-Rheims are available.] Because of Logos software's strength and integration, I hope they move me off these side packages quickly - I've already dropped a couple packages and rejected one after a very short trial.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2010 2:36 AM

Bob,

Just a thought on these previous experiments you've done regarding Free/Discounted packages. When I first signed up to Logos many years ago it was because you offered a resource I couldn't get elsewhere (I was at the time using PC Study Bible). I later bought Pradis to get additional resources. In other words in the days when you ran your experiment there wasn't much to choose between the different packages apart from price and the resources themselves.

Now, things are a bit different. Many people no longer see Bible software as a means to reading/searching a resource. Whole new 'non-serious' markets are opening up (think Illumina and Glo). People actually want to know what the software is like, and at entry-level the software itself is more important that the resources. That wasn't true 10 years ago.

If Logos was to offer a free-base package with the same resources as the free iPhone version, I do believe it would significantly increase sales. If nothing else, it would provide a demo for other customers who are considering purchasing Logos but want to know what it's really like before spending several hundred dollars. I wouldn't expect there to be massive upgrade sales, it's only cost you the bandwidth costs.

Some suggestions of converting non-paying customers to paying customers. If you did all of these people would feel nagged, so I'm suggesting you choose from these:

  • Offering a limited trial of pay-for features of Logos 4 from within the program (I'm thinking Biblical People etc.)
  • For the first ten weeks after install, sending a weekly "How to get the most out of your new software" email to new customers, that concentrates on what you can do for free, but adds a small section on what extra you can do if you upgrade.
  • Changing the homepage for free users, which from time to time displays upgrade links with benefits clearly explained. Several times a year these should be discounted.
  • Using the log of the searches etc. people do (assuming they don't turn on the privacy option) to recommend specific paid resources or packages within the program.
  • Create some videos which explain the benefits of upgrading between each base package.
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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2010 3:03 AM

your suggestion fits,my needs ,specialy in the case of the inductive study method.

Blessings in Christ.

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