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Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

Jack Caviness — 2012-03-29T18:33:57Z

Graham Criddle:
I had taken it as "comes before it in the verse" as opposed to grammatically connected.

That could have been what James intended.

Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

Graham Criddle — 2012-03-29T15:36:14Z

Jack

Thanks for the clarification. I had taken it as "comes before it in the verse" as opposed to grammatically connected.

Graham

Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

Jack Caviness — 2012-03-29T15:24:43Z

Graham Criddle:

Sorry Jack, don't understand.

Which are the false positives?

My understanding of James' original question—aorist participles preceding imperatives—would be that the participle was grammatically connected to the imperative. In the circled responses, the participle is in a relative clause preceding the command whereas in the other responses, the participle is actually part of the command, i.e., "Go and take". In what I call false positives this immediate connection is not present, i.e., "while he was thinking, the angel commanded…"

SECOND LOOK: In the circled false positives, it appears that the morph search has tagged "Behold" as an imperative. I can accept that, but note that it is in a different clause than the participle. I don't think this meets the criteria of the original question.

James, hope we have generated more light than heat with this exchange. Looks like syntax search will best fit what you are seeking.

Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

Graham Criddle — 2012-03-29T14:20:05Z

Jack Caviness:
Noticed the false positives in your first example

Sorry Jack, don't understand.

Which are the false positives?

Graham

Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

Jack Caviness — 2012-03-29T13:22:28Z

Graham Criddle:
KS4J - thanks for adding in the details of Syntax search options, great job!

Noticed the false positives in your first example—finding all verses that contained both an aorist participle and an imperative within a single verse. Wondered about using the WITHIN xx WORDS search delimiter.

EDIT: Should have tried this before posting. WITHIN 3 WORDS still found numerous false positives

Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

David Bradford — 2012-03-28T21:53:36Z

Hi Graham,

This is quite helpful. I need to be able to search for certain grammatical constructions in the GNT and this is a very helpful start.

Grace and peace,

David

Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

Graham Criddle — 2012-02-23T07:36:55Z

James:
This looks like exactly what I needed. Thank you for your time!

Hi James, you are welcome.

KS4J - thanks for adding in the details of Syntax search options, great job!

Graham

Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) — 2012-02-23T04:02:18Z

James:

Hello! How would I run a search for a grammatical construction such as "aorist participles preceding imperatives in Matthew?"

Welcome

Morph Search @VA?P BEFORE @V??M finds all verses that have an Aorist Participle before an Imperative verb. A Syntax Search can find aorist participles preceding imperatives within a clause:

Morph Search found 66 verses; looked at a result (e.g. Matthew 2:8) in The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament: Clause Analysis, then created a Syntax Search with similar structure using same Morph Search codes for Syntax Search words: @VA?P and @V??M, which found 13 occurrences of an aorist participle preceding an imperative within a primary clause in Matthew.

In the Syntax Search, checking "Matching Skip Levels" for the Predicator allows one more result to be found in Matthew 14:8

Changing morph code @VA?P to @V??P finds three more clauses in Matthew 6:17, 10:12, and 10:14 that have a present tense participle preceding an imperative.

For grins, changed to Cascadia Syntax Graphs of the New Testament. Took awhile to figure out a syntax search, yet found 68 sentences, including some occurrences where aorist participle is in one verse and imperative is in another, yet both are within one Greek sentence:

Keep Smiling

Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

James — 2012-02-23T01:18:48Z

This looks like exactly what I needed. Thank you for your time!

Re: Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

Graham Criddle — 2012-02-22T16:08:38Z

Hi James - and welcome to the forums

You could do this via a morph search as below:

The first term is for the aorist participle and the second is for the imperative

For details of constructing a morphological search please see http://wiki.logos.com/Morphological_Search

I am aware that there have been (maybe still are) some issues with constructing these searches in the Mac environment but hopefully this will get you started.

This works on verse boundaries - as opposed to sentences. If you want more control you would need a Syntax search (http://wiki.logos.com/A_Strategy_for_Syntax_Search is a good starting point for this)

Please post back if this doesn't give you what you need

Graham

Grammatical Pattern Search with moods in a specific book of the Bible?

James — 2012-02-22T15:40:03Z

Hello! How would I run a search for a grammatical construction such as "aorist participles preceding imperatives in Matthew?"