Logos 4 Windows

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Dave Hooton — 2010-11-09T02:50:49Z

JJ Miller:
Dave: Thanks for your information. We will try using the Ctrl Key log in method next time this happens and see if that resolves it.

Please use it only to confirm that you are in the correct Windows account. If you change the Logos Id and you are logged onto your wife's computer account you will create your Logos account within her computer account ie. with downloading and indexing.

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

JJ Miller — 2010-11-08T18:52:40Z

Jeremy: That is the problem. The two accounts (separate accounts) get confused on the one PC.
Matthew: Yes, having an additional PC would help, but that wasn't what my post was asking. Thanks.
Dave: Thanks for your information. We will try using the Ctrl Key log in method next time this happens and see if that resolves it. I am sorry, I am not sure why they the two separate accounts get confused, since they have separate logins... but what happens is that all the books for one account shows up in the other... for instance, all of a sudden my wife has access to all my books. Only once did I wake up with her library in place of mine. :)

Thanks for the feedback! JJ

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Dave Hooton — 2010-11-08T01:34:53Z

JJ Miller:
My question: If anyone else has two separate Logos accounts for two separate users on one computer, is there a way to force a Log in screen to change user log-in or is there a way to set things back to normal if they the two accounts get confused?

I'm not certain how the accounts get confused, so exactly what information is being "grabbed"? Is it possible that you have logged into each other's Logos account by accident eg. you started L4 and used L4 but it was in your wife's computer account?

If you start L4 whilst holding down the Ctrl key you will get a Sign-in dialog box which will show you the current Logos user id and you can change it. But that won't necessarily solve the problem and it could definitely create another one, so just note the Id that is displayed and report back here.

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Super Tramp — 2010-11-07T21:53:03Z

JJ Miller:
My wife has her own copy of Logos, albeit, a reduced install that has just the things she wants. I have a rather complete install based on my needs. We have two separate email accounts and passwords, two seperate serial codes when we registered (obviously). We don't share books and don't want to (across the two installs, I mean). However, sometimes the computer gets confused. Her account grabs my information or my account grabs her... then I need to call in and Logos customer services sets it right again.

This is very intriguing to me. I can not answer your question because my wife has her small Logos (Bible Study package) on her own netbook while my large Logos (Portfolio) resides on my laptop. We have a static ip address that frequently confuses our ISP when we are both online at the same time . But we have never had Logos sync-ing get mixed up like that. I'm betting it has something to do with Windows 7. You may be ahead getting your wife her own computer.

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Jeremy — 2010-11-07T21:46:12Z

Does it help if you each have your own account and login separately on your operating system?

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

JJ Miller — 2010-11-07T21:42:42Z

Perhaps this question/comment is in the wrong area... but I was looking for advice. My wife has her own copy of Logos, albeit, a reduced install that has just the things she wants. I have a rather complete install based on my needs. We have two separate email accounts and passwords, two seperate serial codes when we registered (obviously). We don't share books and don't want to (across the two installs, I mean). However, sometimes the computer gets confused. Her account grabs my information or my account grabs her... then I need to call in and Logos customer services sets it right again.

My question: If anyone else has two separate Logos accounts for two separate users on one computer, is there a way to force a Log in screen to change user log-in or is there a way to set things back to normal if they the two accounts get confused?

Thanks.

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Dave Hooton — 2010-09-10T05:53:32Z

ronald eddy:

There are many email clients which provides synchronization for eg hotmail

Ronald

You seem to be replying to a post on page 1 (out of 5) of an old thread, so you need to Quote the text to which you are responding ie select the Quote button (or select the parts that apply and then the Quote button ).

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

ronald eddy — 2010-09-09T22:47:02Z

There are many email clients which provides synchronization for eg hotmail

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Larry Schmid — 2009-11-28T19:29:50Z

Bryan Smith:

I'm amazed at the number of unofficial Logos spokespersons, armchair lawyers, armchair DRM/copyright law experts, and judges of men's hearts that have popped up in this thread.

Hmm, while I consider myself neither an expert in DRM nor copyright law, I do have a fairly large investment in digital media of many kinds. That and being involved in All Things Geek on a day-to-day basis means I am aware of and have a stake in such trends. And has been pointed out already, this is a discussion forum and I have merely added my opinions (none of which promote violating the EULA.)

Larry

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Matt — 2009-11-28T19:06:38Z

Bradley Grainger:
"Applications should be installed to Program Files or the user’s AppData folder by default." While Program Files is listed first, the user's AppData folder is also an acceptable default.

Bradley, thanks for weighing in on this. If you peruse the MS whitepaper Namespace Usage Guidelines for the Windows Vista File System, you'll see this section which spells out how the directories in question should be used:

Windows Vista provides specific locations in the file system to store programs and software components, application data that is shared between all users on a computer, and application data that is specific to a user. These locations are, respectively:

C:\Program Files
- Storage location for programs and software components.
- Users should not store any user data or application data here because of the security permissions configured for this folder. Standard users do not have rights to write data to this location.
C:\ProgramData:
- Storage location for application data that is to be shared between all users on that computer.
C:\Users\<username>\AppData:
- Storage location for per-user application data that is exclusive to a user and should not be shared with any other user on that computer.
- The AppData location itself has a further hierarchy below it to differentiate computer-dependent application data from computer-independent application data. This hierarchy is discussed in detail in the next section.

"C:\Program Files\" is the storage location for programs and software components, not AppData. AppData is used for per-user data and that is what it is inteneded for. Installing an entire application lock, stock and barrel into AppData is decidedly non-standard and why the vast majority of software companies do *not* install here because they know that they will be deviating from well-established practice. When a software company makes a decision to follow this highly irregular installation path, there are only two reasons for it:

Lack of the technical know-how to bypass the engineering involved with the separation of End-user data and Application-managed data (a very important paradigm), to obviate the need for Administrator membership in order to install, and to avoid the problems inherent with writing into "Program Files" when the OS is > than WinXP.
1. If this was Logos' reason, then they have unintentionally rendered their software useless for families who share a computer for the reasons spelled out in detail within this thread by me in an earlier post.
To prevent more than a single user using the software on one machine.
1. If this was the case, please see 1.1 above and replace 'unintentionally' with 'intentionally.'

There's a wonderful quip I picked up some years back from a movie called The Outlaw Josey Wales (I'll paraphrase here, because the original is somewhat more vulgar):

"Don't urinate on my back and tell me it's rainin'."

If Logos took path 2 above, fine, that's their choice, but please don't try to convince me that it's either a) standard or b) for my benefit.

Thanks for your feedback,

Matt

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Dave Hooton — 2009-11-28T06:22:11Z

Bradley Grainger:
This installation practice is certainly not non-standard (though it is uncommon)

There you go again, those reinforced double negatives clarified by another negative

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Bradley Grainger (Logos) — 2009-11-28T05:47:43Z

Matt:

All of this because Logos decided to install their program files into the user's AppData folder, a practice which I have never witnessed (nor had I witnessed it when 'Documents and Settings\Application Data' ruled the roost). I'm not attempting to be unfair to the engineers at Logos, because from what I've witnessed in their software and their developer blogs, they have some very good people. However, 'getting around security' issues is not a valid reason to break such a well-established paradigm and it almost makes me wonder if they had a non-Windows archictect in charge of their installer.

Hi Matt,

This installation practice is certainly not non-standard (though it is uncommon). Please see the "Requirements for the Windows Vista Logo Program for Software" (http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/e/4/8e4c929d-679a-4238-8c21-2dcc8ed1f35c/Windows%20Vista%20Software%20Logo%20Spec%201.1.doc), section 2.3, "Install to Correct Folders": "Applications should be installed to Program Files or the user’s AppData folder by default." While Program Files is listed first, the user's AppData folder is also an acceptable default. I believe our installation is fully within the Vista (and Windows 7) logo guidelines for installation (with the possible exception of not supporting a command-line installation; I'd have to check on that).

Bradley

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

BS — 2009-11-28T04:35:32Z

Sometimes I can't help but grab the hornets nest and shake it. And yes, I should probably be counted in the last category, that's a good point.

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Michael Birney — 2009-11-27T22:49:52Z

Wasn't that the point of the thread? The op asked a question, and a bunch of forum members answered. If he wanted advise from a lawyer or copyright expert he wouldn't of posted on this forum now would he? He had options, he could of called Logos, he could of called a lawyer, he could of not posted anything. His post meant he wanted responses, he got them.

And, just for fun .... aren't you judging men's hearts with your comments?

And, (questioning my sanity and pride) why do I respond to this drivel? (Is drivel a harsh word?)

Bryan Smith:
I'm amazed at the number of unofficial Logos spokespersons, armchair lawyers, armchair DRM/copyright law experts, and judges of men's hearts that have popped up in this thread.

Re: Sync Feature via Email & Password Activation Insecurites

Super Tramp — 2009-11-27T20:34:24Z

Bryan Smith:
I'm amazed at the number

Here are the actors (in order of first appearance) :

Ariyl, Michael Birney, *Bradley Grainger, Damian McGrath, Matt, Matthew C Jones, Dave Hooton, *Dan Pritchett, Philip Spitzer, Chris Elford, MikeWaterhouse, Edward Hyndman, *George Allakhverdyan, Jeremiah Daniel Morris, Larry Schmid, Richard DeRuiter, MJ. Smith, Jon Rumble, *Bob Pritchett, Thomas Black, Kevin Becker, Bryan Smith.

The 4 names with an * by them are actual official Logos people.
I count at least 4 more that are IT professionals or software engineers.
At least 5 more (probably 10) are priests or pastors who spend their time instructing others about sin, morality & ethics.
There are many details unknown about everyone listed. I can't swing a dead cat at Thanksgiving without hitting a judge, lawyer, cop or preacher in the room.

If the watchman doesn't cry out his warning, the watchman bears the guilt. When a man declares he is above the law he should expect response.