Well it looks like the 2015 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica is coming. In pre-pub $99.
I assume there would also be in one's Logos library? And it is mobile enabled.
https://www.logos.com/product/49459/encyclopedia-britannica-noet-edition
Hi Bruce,
Thanks for your question! This edition is compatible with both the Noet and Logos libraries.
Sherri
Where does the content come from (I.e. what edition of the print books)?
Thanks for mentioning this Bruce. I wonder how long though it will remain in prepub? The EB has been around for a long time and I'm surprised that Faithlife is going to sell this.
Hi Alabama24,
I believe the content comes from their latest (and last) print edition from 2012. I'll double-check this and get back to you in the morning!
Hi James,
The Noet edition offers updated Encyclopedia Britannica content (with more than 19,000 articles!) integrated into your Noet and/or Logos library. You can jump from an encyclopedia article to an original manuscript to its translation in seconds; this functionality has never been available with EB content before. The Encyclopedia Britannica Noet Edition will also help flesh out your Timeline and Media Search results. In short, it will add a ton of data and information to your library.
Plus, you can get it for 80% off [:)] (But this deal only lasts through Thursday!)
Let me know if you have any more questions!
Hi.
Is the Product page correct ... 19,000 articles?
Wikipedia states that:
The 2013 edition of Britannica contained approximately forty thousand articles,[4] and by comparison to Wikipedia, was over one hundred times smaller than the current number of articles contained in Wikipedia - specifically, 4,721,088 articles in English (as of February 16, 2015).
Of course, Wikipedia's marketing department wants to say that they are 100 times bigger ... so presumably they would have said 19,000 if they could!!!
The link for the source of the Wikipedia figure is broken ...
The official Britannica DVD has more than 100.000 articles.
From the website: Encyclopædia Britannica Access the world's most trusted and authoritative information, featuring over 100,000 articles from the 32-volume Encyclopædia Britannica print set.
I also wonder if this is the whole encylopedia and not only a selection.
Seems awfully pricey, then.
You can get the official Encyclopedia Britannica 2015 Ultimate Edition DVD for £39.99 (about $61) directly from Britannica. Less from other vendors.
Yes, the Noet edition will have more features than just the articles, with all the tagging that must go into it. So I'd be willing to pay $99.95 for it. But not if what we're getting isn't the entire thing. And that's the pre-pub price, too, after which it goes up to $499.95? That seems way too steep for partial content and even if it were the whole thing.
EDIT: I realized there might be different ways of counting articles. Some counts might include the "XXXXX. See YYYYY." entries and some might not.
Brace yourself, Logos' poor tagging (or incomplete) is coming in strong on this one.
You've been warned.
Being Noet and given the provided information I had presumed it might be the 11th edition 1911. But maybe not?
I might be interested, but only in the whole thing, and not a selection. Can anybody clarify?
I am intrigued by the offering but am not sure why I would need it. For biblical studies, I have the likes of Anchor Bible Dictionary and many other dictionaries.
Would someone kindly provide an example of what this resource would do that is not already well covered by extant resources?
Please, Faithlife, we would like an on point, accurate description of this encyclopedia. It seems you got your facts wrong or offering a limited content edition at an overpriced tag. Please, correct.
Thanks!
DAL
I think it's more useful for general knowledge than biblical knowledge. I value Logos as a tool and platform (a somewhat expensive one) for interacting with academic materials. For me, it's mostly a theological exercise because my interest is theology (and biblical studies). Kindle is hopeless for academic work because it's very difficult to make clippings and copy/paste functionality doesn't exist. The searching is limited on Kindle and for years I had been despairing of how to create a digital library in which I could create highlights and notes on the text itself. Logos is a solution to all of that. I'd personally consider purchasing the EB because it's an academic peer-reviewed encyclopedia (which Wikipedia is not) and would give general knowledge about historical topics (and art) which wouldn't be present in the bible dictionaries.
I would also be interested if it were the entire EB. What I suspect we have here is a curated edition, with only the articles that would seem to be relevant to Noet/Logos resource users (philosophy, literature, Biblical studies, theology, and so forth). I would only buy this edition if I knew that the entire EB was in fact in production and would be available at a later date.
I hope someone from Logos can clarify what the product really is.From the web, "If one were to read the entire printed edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (2002), consisting of 32 volumes, 33,000 pages, and 44 million words, it would take a reader 153 days." This was in relation to AJ Jacobs who read the entire Encyclopedia Britannica and wrote a book about it.My assumption is that Logos is not offering the entire Encyclopedia. They list the number of pages as 12,866 and the number of articles as 19,000 and 10 million words.I have the 2008 DVD edition that I had not installed on the PC that I purchased last year. So I installed it today and here is an example of an article from it, this one on Aaron.
flourished 14th century BC
Aaron, detail of a 3rd-century fresco from the synagogue at Doura-Europus, Syria; in the National …
the traditional founder and head of the Jewish priesthood, who, with his brother Moses, led the Israelites out of Egypt. The figure of Aaron as it is now found in the Pentateuch is built up from several sources of traditions. In the Talmud and Midrash he is seen as the leading personality at the side of Moses. He has appeared in different roles in Christian thought.
Aaron is described in the Old Testament book of Exodus as a son of Amram and Jochebed of the tribe of Levi, three years older than his brother Moses. He acted together with his brother in the desperate situation of the Israelites in Egypt and took an active part in the Exodus. Although Moses was the actual leader, Aaron acted as his “mouth.” The two brothers went to the pharaoh together, and it was Aaron who told him to let the people of Israel go, using his magic rod in order to show the might of Yahweh. When the pharaoh finally decided to release the people, Yahweh gave the important ordinance of the Passover, the annual ritual remembrance of the Exodus, to Aaron and Moses. But Moses alone went up on Mount Sinai, and he alone was allowed to come near to Yahweh. Moses later was ordered to “bring near” Aaron and his sons, and they were anointed and consecrated to be priests “by a perpetual statute.” Aaron's sons were to take over the priestly garments after him. Aaron is not represented as wholly blameless. It was he who, when Moses was delayed on Mount Sinai, made the golden calf that was idolatrously worshiped by the people.
Once a year, on Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement), Aaron was allowed to come into the Holy of Holies, the most sacred part of the tabernacle, or sanctuary, in which the Hebrew tribes worshiped, bringing his offering. Together with his sister, Miriam, Aaron spoke against Moses because he had married a foreigner (a Cushite woman); but, as in the episode of the golden calf, the narrative tells how Aaron was merely reproved, though Miriam was punished, for the offense. In the rebellion of Korah the Levite, however, Aaron stood firmly at the side of Moses. According to Numbers 20, Aaron died on the top of Mount Hor at the age of 123; in Deuteronomy 10, which represents another tradition, he is said to have died in Moserah and was buried there.
Aaron is a central figure in the traditions about the Exodus, though his role varies in importance. At the beginning he seems to be coequal with Moses, but after the march out of Egypt he is only a shadow at Moses' side. Moses is obviously the leading figure in the tradition, but it is also clear that he is pictured as delegating his authority in all priestly and cultic matters to Aaron and “his sons.”
Scholars have long been aware that the figure of Aaron as it is now found in the Pentateuch, or first five books of the Old Testament, is built up from several sources or layers of traditions. According to Julius Wellhausen, a German biblical scholar, and his followers, the Yahwist source was the oldest one, followed in order by the Elohist, Deuteronomist, and Priestly code. Scholars have attributed the passages about Aaron to one or the other of these sources. Although their results differ, they do agree in ascribing about 90 percent of the material about Aaron to the Priestly source. According to Wellhausen, Aaron was not mentioned at all in the Yahwist narrative, but he may have been inserted by later redactors.
Other scholars, such as Sigmund Mowinckel, believe that the narrative about the golden calf, which presents Aaron in an unfavourable light, was part of the ancient tradition in the Yahwist work, being the only passage in it that mentions him. This narrative, according to these scholars, originally came from the northern kingdom of Israel and described Aaron as the ancestor of the priests in northern Israel; later it was rewritten in a way defamatory to Aaron. But there are also features in the narrative that may indicate that a later source (or traditionist), the Elohist, tried to excuse Aaron and to put the main responsibility on the people. The Elohist narrator was credited with making Aaron the brother and helper of Moses, who stood at the side of Moses in the conflict with the pharaoh and assisted him as a leader in battles and in the cult. It may also be the Elohist who provides the unfavourable story about Aaron's objection to Moses' wife. On the other hand, it seems to be the same narrator who mentions Aaron at the side of Moses in the revolt at Meribah, but here also Aaron, together with Moses, is actually reproached. There is reason to believe that Aaron was not mentioned in the Deuteronomist work by the original author but that his name has been added by a redactor. The main bulk of the traditions about Aaron and the frequent addition of “and Aaron” after the mention of Moses are found in the Priestly source, which was written at a time when the priests had a more dominant position in Judah than they had before the exile. By then Moses had ceased to be the hero of the priests, and Aaron had taken over that role.
Many modern scholars speak of traditions where their predecessors spoke of sources, but, apart from this terminology, the view concerning Aaron has not greatly changed. There have been new attempts, however, to see the contrasting figures of Moses and Aaron in a new light. It has been suggested that the traditions about Moses represent a southern Judaean tradition, while the old traditions about Aaron originated in the northern kingdom. It has also been indicated that the traditions about Moses are primarily concerned with a prophet, while those about Aaron are connected with priesthood. There may be a kernel of truth in all these suggestions, as also in the theory of Ivan Engnell that Moses represents the royal ideology while Aaron stands for priesthood, and priesthood alone. The standing struggle between the king and the leading priests is reflected both in the laws and in the narratives of the historical books.
Aaron continued to live as a symbol in Jewish religion and traditions, and the position of the priests was strengthened after the exile. Also, in the Qumrān sect, a Jewish community that flourished in the era just before and contemporary with the birth of Christianity, Aaron was a symbol for a strong priesthood, as can be seen from the Dead Sea Scrolls. At the end of time, men of the community should be set apart, as a select group in the service of Aaron. Only the sons of Aaron should “administer judgment and wealth,” and, according to the Manual of Discipline, two messiahs were expected, one of Aaron, the priestly one, and one of Israel. According to a fragment found near Qumrān, the priest would have the first seat in the banquets in the last days and bless the bread before the messiah of Israel. Here “the sons of Aaron” have the highest position.
In Talmud and Midrash (Jewish commentative and interpretative writings), Aaron is seen less as a symbol than as the leading personality at the side of Moses. The relationship between the two brothers is painted as prototypical in the Haggada (“Narrative”—the nonlegal parts of Talmud and Midrash). Rabbi Hillel, the great liberal sage, praised Aaron as peace-loving, a man of goodwill, who wanted to teach his fellowmen the Law.
In Jewish exegesis little is said about him, though he is mentioned as a man who created peace among men. Many attempts have been made to explain Aaron's participation in the episode of the golden calf. According to some exegetes, Aaron had to make the calf in order to avoid being killed. In the 11th century, the French commentator Rashi contended that the calf was a symbol of the leader, Moses, who was at that time on the mountain. The relationship between Moses and Aaron is also discussed in the Talmud. Some traditionists have wondered why Aaron, and not Moses, was appointed high priest. The answer has been found in an indication that Moses was rejected because of his original unwillingness when he was called by Yahweh. It also seems to have been hard for some traditionists to accept that Aaron was described as older than Moses. The death of Aaron is related in the Midrash Petirat Aharon.
The first Christian communities admitted that Aaron, “the sons of Aaron,” or “the order of Aaron” constituted symbols of the highest priesthood. But in The Letter to the Hebrews, Christ is described as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek, which was set against “the order of Aaron.” Of the Church Fathers, Cyril of Alexandria says that Aaron was divinely called to a priesthood and that he was a type of Christ. Gregory the Great translates the name Aaron as “mountain of strength” and sees in him a redeemer who mediated between God and man.
Arvid S. Kapelrud
F.S. North, “Aaron's Rise in Prestige,” in Zeitschrift für die alttestamentliche Wissenschaft, 66:191–199 (1954), is a short study of Aaron's position. Roland De Vaux, Ancient Israel: Its Life and Institutions (1961, reissued 1973; originally published in French, 2 vol., 1958–60); and Aelred Cody, A History of Old Testament Priesthood (1969), include discussions of Aaron and his place in ancient Israelite life and cult. Walter Beyerlin, Origins and History of the Oldest Sinaitic Traditions (1965; originally published in German, 1961), focuses on the traditions behind the story of Moses and Aaron. H.H. Rowley, Worship in Ancient Israel: Its Form and Meaning (1967, reissued 1976), surveys the religious life in Israel, including Aaron and his role. Bertil E. Gärtner, The Temple and the Community in Qumran and the New Testament (1965), treats the religious cult in the Qumrān society, in which “Aaron” was synonymous with the chief priest. Heinrich Valentin, Aaron: eine Studie zur vorpriesterlichen Aaron-Überlieferung (1978), analyzes the various interpretations of the biblical references about Aaron.
I am intrigued by the offering but am not sure why I would need it. For biblical studies, I have the likes of Anchor Bible Dictionary and many other dictionaries. Would someone kindly provide an example of what this resource would do that is not already well covered by extant resources?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, 166Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. 167
Shakespeare, Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, I, v, ll 166-67.
Thank you, Bruce, for your helpful example. I notice that the most "recent" item in the bibliography on Aaron is from 1978! Makes me wonder how recent biblical material might be in it. Perhaps looking up a couple other examples (Jesus? Pentateuch?) could help answer this question.
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The Noet Edition of Encyclopedia Britannica makes the Timeline—Logos’ visual chronicle of world history—even more robust
Thats one of the reasons I'm interested. Filling out the timeline with other events.
Sherri and others
Please help me understand the difference between
https://www.logos.com/product/33266/encyclopedia-britannica
and
this noet edition
Thanks
Sherri and others Please help me understand the difference between https://www.logos.com/product/33266/encyclopedia-britannica and this noet edition https://www.logos.com/product/49459/encyclopedia-britannica-noet-edition Thanks
The Community Pricing edition is the public domain edition from 1911. From Wikipedia:
The Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition (1910–1911) is a 29-volume reference work, an edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica. It was developed during the encyclopaedia's transition from a British to an American publication. Some of its articles were written by the best-known scholars of the time. This edition of the encyclopedia is now in the public domain, but the outdated nature of some of its content makes its use as a source for modern scholarship problematic. Some articles have special value and interest to modern scholars as cultural artifacts of the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Will updates at a reduced price be made available as new additions come out? I would hate to have to spend $99 every time a new edition comes out.
Hi Mark,
These are the same products--the EBNE is branded as a Noet product, but it works with your Logos library, too. Hope that helps!
Hi all,
The Noet edition includes content all the way up through 2015. This resource is a special edition of EB content--what makes it unique is the tagging and integration into your Logos/Noet library. This resource will make your Timeline more comprehensive, add 25,000 searchable images to your library, and help you dig into Scripture's historical context with EB articles on secular topics. This resource offers an excellent way to enhance your library with tons of media and information.
Thanks,
Sherri- is there any way to get an idea of what is included AND excluded from other EB editions? Growing up, we had an encyclopedia set, which was useful for school projects. If this would be similar to that, I would be interested. If it is only related to typical bible/literature subjects, not so much.
Sherri and others Please help me understand the difference between https://www.logos.com/product/33266/encyclopedia-britannica and this noet edition https://www.logos.com/product/49459/encyclopedia-britannica-noet-edition Thanks Hi Mark, These are the same products--the EBNE is branded as a Noet product, but it works with your Logos library, too. Hope that helps! Sherri
you need to double check that... They can't be the same thing, or we haven't understood you right.
Check the dates of the two editions—they differ.
Unfortunately, there's no way for us to tell what's included/excluded from older print versions of the EB, but I can tell you that this edition will include very similar (but updated) content to what you had growing up--there's not just a focus on biblical or literary topics--this edition includes a well-rounded look at thousands of topics.
Hope this helps!
Sherri and others Please help me understand the difference between https://www.logos.com/product/33266/encyclopedia-britannica and this noet edition https://www.logos.com/product/49459/encyclopedia-britannica-noet-edition Thanks Hi Mark, These are the same products--the EBNE is branded as a Noet product, but it works with your Logos library, too. Hope that helps! Sherri you need to double check that... They can't be the same thing, or we haven't understood you right.
My apologies! I misunderstood the question. The 32-volume edition is a much older edition from 1922. The new Noet edition has content updated through 2015. Sorry for the confusion!
I also wonder if this is the whole encylopedia and not only a selection. Seems awfully pricey, then. You can get the official Encyclopedia Britannica 2015 Ultimate Edition DVD for £39.99 (about $61) directly from Britannica. Less from other vendors. Yes, the Noet edition will have more features than just the articles, with all the tagging that must go into it. So I'd be willing to pay $99.95 for it. But not if what we're getting isn't the entire thing. And that's the pre-pub price, too, after which it goes up to $499.95? That seems way too steep for partial content and even if it were the whole thing. EDIT: I realized there might be different ways of counting articles. Some counts might include the "XXXXX. See YYYYY." entries and some might not.
Hmmm if the Noet version turns out not to be the complete version I may get this version instead. Thanks Rosie.
Sherri,
Will this version have articles from Britannica's "Macropedia"?
The reason I ask is that I have the Britannica 2012 "Ultimate" DVD. Based on review and comments by people who had both this and the print version, my DVD is basically the "micropedia". Nowadays, to access "macropedia" (with it's in depths articles) you have to go online.
If it contains are articles from the macropedia, I might be interested in purchasing it.
Sherri, Will this version have articles from Britannica's "Macropedia"? The reason I ask is that I have the Britannica 2012 "Ultimate" DVD. Based on review and comments by people who had both this and the print version, my DVD is basically the "micropedia". Nowadays, to access "macropedia" (with it's in depths articles) you have to go online. If it contains are articles from the macropedia, I might be interested in purchasing it.
Hi Michael,
Great question. Let me dig into that, and I'll get back to you soon with an answer!
I think the question on most minds is that the listed content on Logos page doesn't correspond to the full content that is listed in the Britannica. It looks like what Faithlife describes is some subset of the total current articles and pages.
From the Britannica Store for the 2013 Deluxe DVD
Thanks for clarifying what we would be purchasing.
Sherri, I think the question on most minds is that the listed content on Logos page doesn't correspond to the full content that is listed in the Britannica. It looks like what Faithlife describes is some subset of the total current articles and pages. From the Britannica Store for the 2013 Deluxe DVD 82,000+ Articles Nearly 20,000 Photos, Illustrations, Tables, and More 1,300+ Video and Audio Clips Thanks for clarifying what we would be purchasing.
You're correct--the Noet edition is a more concise version of the larger Enclyclopaedia Britannica, although it comes with updated content and advanced integration with your Logos/Noet library.
You're correct--the Noet edition is a more concise version of the larger Enclyclopaedia Britannica
The obvious question: what is included and what is not included?
Logos needs to provide a good bit more information on this product. Article and word counts mean little except to show how 'concise' this is. We want to know what is included and what has been left out, and we want to know whether we are being given concise articles or full ones.
You're correct--the Noet edition is a more concise version of the larger Enclyclopaedia Britannica, although it comes with updated content and advanced integration with your Logos/Noet library. Let me know if you have any more questions!
So the marketing video mentions that the print equivalent would be 33,000 pages or 32 volumes. According to the Britannica website, that is the size of the full Encyclopaedia Britannica 15th edition.
Is that what we are buying or not?
One more question for you Sherri:
You mentioned that the Noet edition will have updated content. Will the content be updated every year (i.e. like Britannica's Year Book or buying an updated Britannica DVD) or is it just updated to 2015 and stay that way?
One more question for you Sherri: You mentioned that the Noet edition will have updated content. Will the content be updated every year (i.e. like Britannica's Year Book or buying an updated Britannica DVD) or is it just updated to 2015 and stay that way?
We're still working out the details, but yes--we will be releasing updates for a small fee. We haven't determined how often these updates will be released or how much they'll cost, but we'll be sure to keep all of you in the loop once the details are hammered out.
You're correct--the Noet edition is a more concise version of the larger Enclyclopaedia Britannica The obvious question: what is included and what is not included? Logos needs to provide a good bit more information on this product. Article and word counts mean little except to show how 'concise' this is. We want to know what is included and what has been left out, and we want to know whether we are being given concise articles or full ones.
Full length sample articles would really help with understanding the level of detail.
I spoke with Britannica and they confirmed that Micro/Macropaedia content will not be included in the Noet edition.
Let me know if you have more questions!
Sherri, Will this version have articles from Britannica's "Macropedia"? The reason I ask is that I have the Britannica 2012 "Ultimate" DVD. Based on review and comments by people who had both this and the print version, my DVD is basically the "micropedia". Nowadays, to access "macropedia" (with it's in depths articles) you have to go online. If it contains are articles from the macropedia, I might be interested in purchasing it. Hi Michael, I spoke with Britannica and they confirmed that Micro/Macropaedia content will not be included in the Noet edition. Let me know if you have more questions! Sherri
So, what do we get? It sounds a bit like getting less content than the Brittanica DVD, while paying way more money...
I think I am more confused now than I was Without the Micro/Macropaedia content, what does that leave?
Dear Sherri,
Thank you for your help. The lack of Macropaedia articles did not surprise me, but by saying does not include articles from the Micropaedia is throwing me for a loop. I guess I have a couple more questions:
1) Could you ask the people at Britannica what product they would most compare this Noet version with?
2) Will the media files be downloadable, or are they online accessible only (like visual copy and Atlas in Logos 6)?
Thanks again for your help. I think Britannica for Logos is a really great idea. I would be totally in if the content/price ratio are right. This last point is what I am struggling with at the moment.
Several years ago when I bought my desktop computer I also purchased a Britannica DVD. It was a joke. As they say NEVER AGAIN !
Sherri, Will this version have articles from Britannica's "Macropedia"? The reason I ask is that I have the Britannica 2012 "Ultimate" DVD. Based on review and comments by people who had both this and the print version, my DVD is basically the "micropedia". Nowadays, to access "macropedia" (with it's in depths articles) you have to go online. If it contains are articles from the macropedia, I might be interested in purchasing it. Hi Michael, I spoke with Britannica and they confirmed that Micro/Macropaedia content will not be included in the Noet edition. Let me know if you have more questions! Sherri So, what do we get? It sounds a bit like getting less content than the Brittanica DVD, while paying way more money...
Hi Simon,
Although the Britannica DVD has more articles, the EBNE is more up-to-date and offers advanced integration into your Logos library. Unlike the DVD, the EBNE will undergo a sophisticated tagging process that links it to other resources across your library, including primary texts, dictionaries, commentaries, and more. In short, the EBNE offers much more functionality and streamlines your study process, so you can have all your resources, all in one place.
BUT what does it include It sounds like no one knows..
All marketing hype and no actual idea what the product is?!? Hey - it's got links so it must be great.
will the maps & photos be high resolution?
OK. Officially, I'm lost.
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And what about the length of the articles? And how are the articles that are included chosen?When the articles on subjects that are interesting to Logos users (persons and topics in church history, philosophical topics, etc) are included and are full length, like the paper Britannica, it's worth more than when the articles are not chosen based on Logos users interests, or are non-full-length articles (condensed).
Could you please clarify these points? It's nice to know Logos tagging is added, but the value of the tagging is determined by the content that is been tagged. So please provide us with some more information about the kind of articles we can expect.
Okay, I am seriously considering withdrawing my order. There is sufficient confusion about what we are getting. The only reason I am delaying is that I lose the discount if I decide to keep it. If I could still get the price when I get this ships, I would withdraw the order.
As it is, I get to get it at the discount price and still cancel at a later date or even 30 (?) days after it ships. This seems to offer the least risk and gives me time to decide whether it is worth the $99.
