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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jan 19 2010 6:43 PM | Locked

I cannot use Beta 5. It is using tons of CPU cycles while I ask it to do nothing. Nothing is downloading, nothing is indexing. The result is that even trying to pop-up a note in a verse in the NASB95 takes forever to appear. Literally 30-60 seconds or more.

Here is the CPU use when I was actually doing nothing at all:

Mark's Test is the one I am using.

I have a number of linked Bibles, study Bibles, and commentaries. Whenever I scroll forward in a Bible Logos 4 goes into hyper CPU use mode for minutes at a time. And I have to wait and wait for the pop-ups to appear again on the text notes.

I do not have any note files open. I have not opened any of the tools that follow what I am doing.

Logos is still running at 78-85% of CPU usage after paging down in my linked Bible two minutes ago. Still no pop-ups over the text notes.

Yesterday I reported how slowly my installation of the beta brought up the parallel resource buttons. Now it is simply unusable.

I will test the timing and CPU use in my non-beta installation after switching user accounts.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 6:44 PM | Locked

Mark, do you have logging on?  The logs would give a good indication of what it is doing.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 6:56 PM | Locked

Yes. Attached.

Tried the same things with the non-beta installation. When scrolling through the NASB95 in the same linked configuration, Logos maxed at about 50% CPU utilization. After paging it took about 5 seconds to return the pop-up functionality in the NASB. I've never felt Logos 4 was a speed demon but the pre-beta version is definitely faster.


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LaRosa Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 7:00 PM | Locked

I wonder if having two instances open simultaneously is having any impact on its speed

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 7:12 PM | Locked

LaRosa,

They were both open when I tested the non-beta version. As you could see from the screen shot the second installation was using NO CPU cycles, so had no impact on the speed of the beta version.

Is is better to use just one from a memory management point of view? I'm sure it is. It is the constant CPU cycles and the inability of the user interface to respond when that is going on that is behind the problem I had.

I did a fair test, even if their might be more optimum ways of running Logos 4.

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Jon | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 7:36 PM | Locked

From your log, looks like it has something to do with parallel resources... There is a bit of a performance crunch as a layout loads and it goes through all your collections getting the parallel resource sets, but yours seems to be doing it over and over again.

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Scott H. Clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 7:40 PM | Locked

I experienced the same problem in B4 and also now in B5.  Simply scrolling pegs my CPU (99%).  And Highlighting a text takes more than 10 secs from the ctrl-k until the highlight appears. 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 7:41 PM | Locked

Jon Rumble:
yours seems to be doing it over and over again

That's all I noticed, as well as a bunch of synchronization.

Once my Parallel Resource buttons appeared (some time before I tried to use the program as tested) I would have assumed that that process was complete.

More note files and Parallel Resources are about the only difference between my beta and non-beta installations. That leads me to suspect one or the other.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 7:42 PM | Locked

Scott Howard Clark:
I experienced the same problem

Not that I want others to have trouble, but I am glad it isn't just me. Thanks.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 7:56 PM | Locked

I am feeling for you guys but I must report that Beta 4 and 5 are noticeably faster in every aspect for me.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 8:40 PM | Locked

Russ Quinn:
Beta 4 and 5 are noticeably faster in every aspect for me

Russ, do you have time to count and report how many collections you have? Also have you removed any of your collections from appearing as parallel resources? Just wondering if this could have something to do with it.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 9:06 PM | Locked

Mark A. Smith:

Russ Quinn:
Beta 4 and 5 are noticeably faster in every aspect for me

Russ, do you have time to count and report how many collections you have? Also have you removed any of your collections from appearing as parallel resources? Just wondering if this could have something to do with it.

Mark,

One of the first things I did when they added the All parallel resources as a default group was to uncheck the Include option in each of my collections.

I am currently relying on the All parallel resources and my prioritization. It seems to give me everything I need for now. I am primarily using the Parallel resources to quickly run through commentaries on various passages.

But when I say every aspect being faster, I'm also talking about returning results for morph searches, updating the results of the analysis view as I scroll down a long list, opening the library, and just general responsiveness.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 9:22 PM | Locked

Mark A. Smith:

Jon Rumble:
yours seems to be doing it over and over again

That's all I noticed, as well as a bunch of synchronization.

Once my Parallel Resource buttons appeared (some time before I tried to use the program as tested) I would have assumed that that process was complete.

More note files and Parallel Resources are about the only difference between my beta and non-beta installations. That leads me to suspect one or the other

The repetition of collection searches is inherent to Parallel Resources and Bradley commented on making improvements at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10113.aspx. However, the impact for me has been that it takes 2-3 seconds for the PRA icon to appear after each switch to a resource. It's distracting when you have to wait for it.

I don't have any note files!

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 9:43 PM | Locked

Dave Hooton:
The repetition of collection searches

I guess that's what is killing me both when starting up and when using Logos 4 Beta 5. I can live with the start-up lag because I usually leave Logos open, but the drag on the CPU and impossibly slow response times after start-up are impossible to work with. If constant collections searches are the culprit then they need to be eliminated.

Thanks for the info.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 19 2010 9:46 PM | Locked

Russ Quinn:
One of the first things I did when they added the All parallel resources as a default group was to uncheck the Include option in each of my collections.

Well I have 120 collections and unchecked about 2/3 of them when I was getting 5 and half minute lags at start-up (cut the lag to 3 and a half).

Of course for me everything is slower because the CPU is bustin' almost constantly. Checking and rechecking my collections I guess.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2010 2:11 AM | Locked

Mark, I think it is the number of collections you have. I have just about 25 of them and I do not see that dramatic slow down. I have most of them included in my parallel resources. But also notes, I do not have hundreds of them. So it might be this also. I don't know.

EDITED: It's true when I open a resource, before it finds the parallel resources (and icon appears) the CPU goes to 100%. It takes about 3-5 sec. to my notebook.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2010 5:46 AM | Locked

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Mark, I think it is the number of collections you have. I have just about 25 of them and I do not see that dramatic slow down. I have most of them included in my parallel resources. But also notes, I do not have hundreds of them. So it might be this also. I don't know.

I noticed that the collections definitions are constantly being logged to the log file when the library window is open.  Perhaps this is affecting the performance as well.  Stuff like this:

2010-01-19 21:31:47.4365    64    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: title:"Christ"
2010-01-19 21:31:47.5215    68    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: type:dictionary -greek -hebrew -syriac -aramaic -encyclopedia -dictionary
2010-01-19 21:31:47.5425    59    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: type:bible -greek -english -syriac -coptic -arabic -aramaic
2010-01-19 21:31:47.7835    68    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: type:"Media Collection" -story
2010-01-19 21:31:47.8395    59    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: type:"Bible Harmony" -gospel
2010-01-19 21:31:48.1625    68    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: atlas
2010-01-19 21:31:48.2185    64    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: type:topical
2010-01-19 21:31:48.3205    56    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: type:dictionary english +Merriam
2010-01-19 21:31:48.4315    68    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: type:bible -greek -english -syriac -coptic -arabic -aramaic
2010-01-19 21:31:48.4925    64    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: archeology
2010-01-19 21:31:48.5195    68    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: type:"Bible Harmony" -gospel

 

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2010 5:52 AM | Locked

Just in case this has something to do with it..if you'll notice, L4 now keeps it's place in the interlinear panel while you scroll....that's a real performance sucker...

I close the interlinear while I scroll...

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2010 10:22 AM | Locked

Robert Pavich:
I close the interlinear while I scroll...

Mine are not open, so that isn't it. It seems that it has something to do with rechecking my collections over and over as Todd pointed out.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 20 2010 10:47 AM | Locked

Mark A. Smith:

Robert Pavich:
I close the interlinear while I scroll...

Mine are not open, so that isn't it. It seems that it has something to do with rechecking my collections over and over as Todd pointed out.

Bradley said that the logging comes from the program checking the collections for parallel resources for each resource window:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/10142/80291.aspx#80291

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