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Stein Dahl | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jan 25 2010 2:23 PM

Hello,

I'm still learning Logos 4 and so far I like it a lot.  But there are a few things I don't know how to accomplish in L4.

  1. How do I find repeated words or phrases in the bible text?  Is there a way to have them highlighted temporarily (?) so that just the repeated words stand out?  I'd like to be able to do this in both the english Bible texts and the original language texts - separately of course - not simultaneously.
  2. I would also like to be able to search the bible text and highlight all the verbs, and then the nouns, then the adjectives, and the adverbs, etc. - each time looking at the text with just one of these parts of speech highlighted.

That's all I can think of for now.  So, if anyone knows how to accomplish these things please let me know.  I think the 2nd one is related to morphological searching, so I'll have to go back and review the videos again.

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2010 2:32 PM

use visual filters, heres a previous post

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/4187/32395.aspx#32395

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2010 2:37 PM

For number 2 I'm with DominicM, a morphology visual filter is best. However, for number 1 I would just run a search for the word or phrase you want highlighted. The search results will be highlighted in the text and you don't have to create a new visual filter document to do it. It's more temporary because the highlighting disappears when you close the search pane. However, if you want the ability to choose the highlight color then you will have to go with a visual filter.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2010 2:40 PM

Stein Dahl:

1.  How do I find repeated words or phrases in the bible text?  Is there a way to have them highlighted temporarily (?) so that just the repeated words stand out?  I'd like to be able to do this in both the english Bible texts and the original language texts - separately of course - not simultaneously.

I don't know of any way to do that. That would be neat!

Stein Dahl:

2.  I would also like to be able to search the bible text and highlight all the verbs, and then the nouns, then the adjectives, and the adverbs, etc. - each time looking at the text with just one of these parts of speech highlighted.

You can do this using Visual Filters. Create a separate visual filter for each testament (unfortunately you'll have to do one each for OT and NT of each of these, because they use different morphological tagging). Choose "Morph" as the type, and mark each part of speech with a different color. Or if you want to highlight each part of speech independently, you'll have to create a separate visual filter for each one, both in OT and in NT. Here's an example for NT just showing Verbs and Nouns (as soon as you type the @ character, it will bring up a menu you can choose the part of speech from, so you don't need to memorize those codes for each part of speech):

Then once you've created this, go into the Bible window you want to apply it to and turn on the checkmark for this visual filter in the Visual Filters dropdown (the icon with the three intersecting colored circles):

Note that it has to be a Bible that has the particular morphological tagging you've selected in your visual filter. I chose Logos Greek Morphology for NT (which exists in the ESV). I'm not sure if there is a documented list somewhere which shows which morph tagging you can use in which Bibles. I've been wanting to see such a list! As far as I know, you have to discover it by trial and error.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2010 3:00 PM

Kevin Becker:

However, for number 1 I would just run a search for the word or phrase you want highlighted. The search results will be highlighted in the text and you don't have to create a new visual filter document to do it. It's more temporary because the highlighting disappears when you close the search pane. However, if you want the ability to choose the highlight color then you will have to go with a visual filter.

I don't think that's what he was asking. He wants to be able to find all occurrences of any word repeated (e.g., "Verily, verily" or "Eloi, Eloi") which is a frequent occurrence in Scripture (not always preserved in the English translations but present in the original languages). In Bullinger's Figures of Speech Used in the Bible (which is part of most base packages except Home and Original Languages), this language feature (called Epizeuxis or Duplication) is described on pp. 189-198, and many examples are given. It would be very useful to be able to do a search in Logos to find all of these, but I know of no syntax for doing this.

Stein, if you have that resource in your library, at least you can satisfy yourself for now with looking at the multiple examples Bullinger gives. Maybe someone else has written an exhaustive list of all the places in the Bible where epizeuxis is used, but I don't know of such.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2010 3:04 PM

Rosie, I guess Stein's post could be interpreted either way. I was thinking about looking for repetition as a feature of literary criticism. Spaced repetition is a key feature of emphasis too. It would be difficult to get a visual filter to catch untranslated geminatio.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2010 3:21 PM

This thread reminded me how helpful visual filters can be if one is not that scholarly on all the subtle sentence syntax used in morphology and syntax searches - just grab a big chunk of text, start "lighting up" all the different options via visual filters, and voila!  Visual cues to study syntax!

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2010 3:28 PM

Kevin Becker:

Rosie, I guess Stein's post could be interpreted either way. I was thinking about looking for repetition as a feature of literary criticism. Spaced repetition is a key feature of emphasis too. It would be difficult to get a visual filter to catch untranslated geminatio.

Regardless of how you interpret his post (repetitio or geminatio or both), you suggested "I would just run a search for the word or phrase you want highlighted." But he'd have to have a particular word or phrase in mind to do that. It would be impossible to do a visual filter or a search for the generic case, you could only do it if you wanted to find a particular instance. I sensed from his question that he was talking more about the general case, but I could be wrong. I personally think the generic case is more interesting -- I'd love to be able to do it. But alas, you can't.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2010 4:25 PM

Rosie Perera:
I personally think the generic case is more interesting -- I'd love to be able to do it. But alas, you can't.

You could do it quite easily in L3!! Good old Graphical Query had a term comparison eg. the Agree term could be used between morph terms (Adj, Noun) and text terms (wildcards), so you could search for adjacent nouns with the same text (Martha, Martha).

You can approximate this in the OT ESV by setting up

@NPH WITHIN 1 word @NPH

which gives adjacent proper HUMAN nouns (excludes Lord God).

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Stein Dahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2010 1:24 AM

Rosie Perera:
Regardless of how you interpret his post (repetitio or geminatio or both), you suggested "I would just run a search for the word or phrase you want highlighted." But he'd have to have a particular word or phrase in mind to do that. It would be impossible to do a visual filter or a search for the generic case, you could only do it if you wanted to find a particular instance. I sensed from his question that he was talking more about the general case, but I could be wrong. I personally think the generic case is more interesting -- I'd love to be able to do it. But alas, you can't.

Hi Rosie (& Kevin too),

I think Rosie, that your idea may be a little closer to what I was originally thinking of.  Although, I wasn't thinking of repeated words that are right next to each other as in the case of "Martha, Martha". 

I was thinking that sometimes in preparing an expository message from a particular passage of scripture, the intended emphasis of the author becomes clearer when you see the words or phrases he uses over and over again.  And it would be great to be able to just call up a passage in Logos and be able to search it for those repeated words and phrases.

I know, I could do it the old fashioned way (doing as Mark Barnes suggested) just print out the entire text of the passage I'm basing my message on and mark the repeated things by hand.  But what would be the fun in that?  Isn't that why we have this awesome program Logos for - so it can do this kind of thing for us? (Ha!,Ha!)

I was just wondering if such a thing was even possible.  That's all.

But thanks for all of your suggestions.  A lot to try out.

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Esther Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2010 4:38 AM

This may be somewhat simplistic as a solution, but one of the wonderful advantages of L4 is ctrl-F in any window.  Type in your search string, and as you move from one to the next, you can highlight them your self.  All this would take to begin would be a cursory reading of the passage, noting any word or phrase that was mentioned more than once.

It is still doing the work yourself, but you don't have to print it out and do it by hand.

 

Esther

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2010 2:54 PM

Stein Dahl:
I was thinking that sometimes in preparing an expository message from a particular passage of scripture, the intended emphasis of the author becomes clearer when you see the words or phrases he uses over and over again.

A Word List with counts  --- coming soon to Logos http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures

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davidphillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2010 4:08 PM

Stein Dahl:
How do I find repeated words or phrases in the bible text?

Stein,

In addition to the methods already mentioned, L4 has a neat feature called "Word Tree" that sort of does what you're looking for. It's under "Tools" --> "Passage Analysis." You type in the word of interest in the box and it charts each use of a word and the context.

 

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Esther Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2010 4:51 AM

Also, don't forget the "interesting words" feature.  Some think of this as a playtoy, but just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it isn't useful.  And for repeated words in a passage, it's quite helpful.  Clicking on the word brings up all the occurences of that word in the passage.

So this may help with your study.

 

Esther

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:09 AM

Esther Jones:

repeated words in a passage, it's quite helpful.  Clicking on the word brings up all the occurences of that word in the passage.

So this may help with your study.

Dear Esther ,may explain to me please ,how it works?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 3:28 AM

Tes:

Esther Jones:

repeated words in a passage, it's quite helpful.  Clicking on the word brings up all the occurences of that word in the passage.

So this may help with your study.

Dear Esther ,may explain to me please ,how it works?

Hi Tes, did you see my answer to you about it on the other thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/11330/89543.aspx#89543

I explained it fully. Except maybe you didn't know how to get this to come up on your screen. Run a "Passage Guide" on your scripture passage (e.g., Romans 1:1-7). That's found on the Guides menu:

Then type in the Scripture reference and click the blue arrow:

Then after the Passage Guide is generated, you will find the "Interesting Words" section if you scroll down. It's after Topics and before Compare Versions in the default Passage Guide. (You might not have those other two sections because they aren't in some of the lower base products, but Interesting Words is in all the packages, so if you just scroll around you'll find it.) You might need to click the little triangle next to it to expand the section if it's not already expanded:

Now go back over to that other thread where I showed what the expaneded section looks like and explained what to do with it.

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