Chrological Bible Reading with Timeline & Maps

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seaview | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 4 2010 2:18 PM

As I read through the chronological order in Genesis and now, Exodus, I long for a left side page accompaniment of the actual time line of the events reading about along with good maps showing the location of the story. Also, it would be very helpful to have hyperlink text of the map locations to blow them up (like Google Earth) for the best views of those times and places, and then, compared to now.

I have been comparing the chronological order in Logos 4 with my "The Reese Chronological Bible" (Edward Reese and Frank R. Klassen, the Dating System, Bethany House, 1980) and my "The Narrated Bible in Chronological Order" (F. LaGard Smith, Harvest House) and find them different, not expectantly.  But their Table of Contents, called Index in Reese Bible, provide helpful chronological segments by date that would be helpful to have online in Logos 4. In addition, having the capability to click on any entry in those Table of Contents linking directly to the related text would be most advantageous.

What suggestions would you techies reading this have to help achieve these aids in this electronic age to edify our studies and meditations?

Thanks, Bill

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 2:35 PM

Bill, there are some timelines in Logos. If you type type:timeline in your Library's Find box you'll find them. They do not currently integrate with much of the rest of the Logos library system, though. You can do searches that will find words in the timelines, but I think that's about it. Your suggestion of having timelines linked with chronological reading plans is a good one. I don't think there is any way of doing it in Logos 4 at present. Perhaps you could do this somehow using the Cited By tool, but it doesn't look like the timelines are indexed by Scripture reference, so I don't think that is possible.

Someone else will have to weigh in on the maps. I haven't used them much at all, but I agree, it would be good if there were a way to link to them from other resources.

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seaview | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 3:32 PM

Great, quick feedback, Rosie. Thanks.

But, the timeline covered my Exodus reading page on the right side. So, how do I get the timeline to appear on the left side next to the daily reading on the right.

Do you know if Reese and LaGard's chronological Bibles are in the "works" at Logos, or some online location which we could insert into the Daily Reading Program?

Again, thanks, Bill

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 6:56 PM

billfrederick:

But, the timeline covered my Exodus reading page on the right side. So, how do I get the timeline to appear on the left side next to the daily reading on the right.

You can drag panels around on the Logos Layout and redock them in different places. Watch this video about Layouts Management to learn all about doing that (and more): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJmWfOksqpw (even though it says YouTube, it's an official Logos video).

billfrederick:

Do you know if Reese and LaGard's chronological Bibles are in the "works" at Logos, or some online location which we could insert into the Daily Reading Program?

No, I'm afraid I don't know. You can customize a Bible Reading Plan for yourself. Do they have Tables of Contents in front of the print editions which show which order the readings come in? I see from other posts you've done on this subject that you know about the page of info on the wiki about creating custom Reading Plans: http://wiki.logos.com/Reading_Plans. Have you learned how to use the custom Reading Plans feature and tried it out with a simpler arrangement of verses? Might be a bit more time consuming to set up the Reese plan, but it still shouldn't take more than about 15 minutes of typing. It doesn't look like anyone has typed in the reference list for Reese or Smith, so you'd have to type them in yourself. A Google search turned up nothing on the web. Also, as someone else pointed out at least Reese is still under copyright, so the verse order isn't likely to be found online. But if you wanted to type it in and use it for your own Logos reading plan, that would be perfectly legitimate.

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seaview | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 9:08 PM

Thanks, again, Rosie for for your fast and helpful answer. I found the training videos at http://www.logos.com/training,but not your YouTube reference. How do I find that one or others on YouTube on the Logos site?

If anyone out there in Reader Land comes up with the Reese or LaGard Chronological Bibles already in electronic format to insert into Logos 4 Reading Program, I would be most grateful.

This all sounds like a wonderful "work in process"! Bill

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 9:16 PM

Two questions came to mind, loosely related to this topic:

1) I haven't used the Timeline feature in L3 much... was it more integrated with the rest of the program?

2) When we take the chronological reading plans from one of those chronological Bibles or study Bibles on the market and type it into Logos' reading plan tool, could it be a violation of copyright or intellectual property?  The reason I ask is these chronological arrangements are all somewhat different, because it's an art not a science, and in some cases a lot of scholarship has gone into devising such a chronological arrangement.  (See the Introduction to the Chronological Study Bible, if you have it.)

Peter

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 11:48 PM

billfrederick:

Thanks, again, Rosie for for your fast and helpful answer. I found the training videos at http://www.logos.com/training,but not your YouTube reference. How do I find that one or others on YouTube on the Logos site?

All of the ones on http://www.logos.com/videos are actually hosted on YouTube. You can't tell that from looking at the titles there or even from clicking on them, because they open up in a local popup window, but once I copy a direct link to one of those videos and paste it here, it reveals that they are hosted on youtube.com. Some people had been confused by that in the past, so I've tried to forestall confusion now anytime I share a direct link to a video here. Evidently I just confused you more. Sorry.

Anyway, there are no other videos on Logos's YouTube channel besides the ones you'll find on http://www.logos.com/videos, so you don't need to worry that there are more official Logos training videos lurking somewhere that you don't know about. However if you'd like to explore them over on YouTube (the exact same videos), they're on Logos's channel there: http://www.youtube.com/user/LogosBibleSoftware. The only advance I see to exploring them there is that you can tell which ones have been posted most recently. On the Logos site, the videos are listed in alphabetical order. But I repeat: it's the same list of videos. The links from Logos point to the YouTube hosted ones.

BTW, there are a number of excellent user-created videos too that take you beyond the Logos videos once you've watched all the latter, into actual ways that people use Logos in their study, preparing a sermon, etc. Check those out at http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Video_Tutorials. John Fidel's and Mark Barnes' consistently get rave reviews. Maybe we should have a star rating system for the video tutorials too! Wink

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Michael Lyman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 5 2010 2:38 AM

I've e-mailed Thomas Nelson a couple times to ask them to put their new Chronological Study Bible into a Logos 4 format or to see if they already had it in the works. They claim they will answer all questions in 48 hours but I have never gotten an answer yet. Here is a link to the hard copy.  http://www.chronologicalstudybible.com/

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