TIP of the day: Don't wait for Logos ... DIY sermon labeling

If I were prioritizing the tagging of sermons, the Early Church and Medieval Fathers would have been the first sermons tagged. However, since Logos gave priority to more modern preachers, I've simply been slowly implementing my priorities by creating labels for sermons as I use them.

1. Recall that in https://community.logos.com/forums/p/117124/768798.aspx Mark Barnes provided the essential information:

{Label Sermon} — Populates the "Sermons" section of Passage Guides

Creator
Title
Subtitle
Series
References
Date
Liturgical Date

2. Create an appropriate highlighting palette:

a. Open the highlighting tool: Tools --> Library --> Highlighting

b. Click on New Palette

c. Provide an appropriate title and add a style

d. Give the style the name of your choice. Indicate that the style implies a label. Give the label and the attributes the names provided by Mark. Save your style.

3. Open an interesting collection of sermons such as Basil of Caesarea. On Social Justice. Translated by C. Paul Schroeder. Popular Patristics Series, Number 38. New York: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 2009. Run a Passage Guide to discover that Amos 3:8 does not select the sermon "In Time of Famine and Drought".

4. Select the entire sermon then add your new label. (See Mark Barnes comments below).

5. Refresh your Passage Guide and the sermon will now be listed.

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Comments

Mark Barnes

Thanks for this, MJ.

Can I add a couple of tips of my own?

If you want to discover which resources already have sermon labelling (to make it easier to find those that don't), you can run a search in your whole library for {Label Sermon}. Or perhaps if you're checking a bunch of resources you could open them all, then run the search in all open resources. If you sort the results by resource, you could then quickly close the resources with results, and you know the others would benefit from manual labelling.
Personally, I highlight the entire sermon before adding the highlighting/labelling. Generally, Logos does this, too. It won't make any difference with regard to the Passage Guide, but it does mean that if you want to you'd be able to search inside individual sermons, too. For example, you could search for (love NEAR grace) WITHIN {Label Sermon}, or forgiveness WITHIN {Label Sermon WHERE Creator ~ "Keller"}

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769830#Comment_769830

Thanks Mark - additions to the tips are always appreciated ... and feel free to write them when you see a topic that needs covered.

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769832#Comment_769832

Thank you both for these tips!

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769832#Comment_769832

This is a really great tip but I can't get it to work - I did a refresh of the Passage Guide, and saw the sections spinning saying it was being regenerated, but I don't have any results still. What did I do wrong?

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769889#Comment_769889

Fixed it! In the Step "This style implies a label" I had typed Sermon label instead of just Sermon - so the label was wrong! Note I had to delete the Note entry and re-add it, as it had the wrong label. Refresh and the sermon showed up! Nice tip MJ!

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

Strictly speaking, this is incorrect. "Date" and "Liturgical Date" need to be entered as data type references in the "Date" and (one of the) Liturgical Date data types respectively. However, the Label Entry helper doesn't allow you to specify those data types currently. (I believe there is a case in our system to enhance it for this.)

Because those label attributes don't have the right data type, the PG section will never display them. (I'm not sure if there could be other negative side-effects in the application.)

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/769927#Comment_769927

Thanks Bradley - I'd been puzzled that I couldn't set them to type: date/liturgical date

Jacob Hantla

This is good. Thanks

Timothy Jang

Hi, MJ.
Thank you for the great tip. It might be very useful.

By the way, I need your help if you could. I clicked {Label Sermon} from your post to open my Logos Software with the search result of all the sermons from my library, highlighted yellow.

Would you let me know how I can dehighlight them?

Liam

MJ this is excellent! I had no idea that we could go ahead and manually tag our existing resources (not just pbs) and have them pop up in the sermons section of the guide. How cool!

Now I'm wondering though, could we all work together on a big huge group sermon tagging project and crowd source all our findings so that we get the benefits of others work as well as our own?

Or does Logos plan on looking into these tags and eventually making them official anyway?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/817552#Comment_817552

I believe we can share the labels by using a shared palette defining the label and sharing the Note file containing the Labels. I don't know Logos' intent but I suspect that they need to review the accuracy of the labels before they'd make a decision to use the user created data.

Liam

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/817560#Comment_817560

I believe we can share the labels by using a shared palette defining the label and sharing the Note file containing the Labels. I don't know Logos' intent but I suspect that they need to review the accuracy of the labels before they'd make a decision to use the user created data.

This is excellent! May I suggest that someone who has a considerable number of labels (any type) make a faithlife group and upload their note file to it. Also make it one that users can contribute to. It's great that journals can also be labeled. I would love it if Logos included the ability for untagged commentaries to be labeled by users as well. As far as I'm concerned, the more labelling the merrier! -I don't think we'll have to worry too terribly about people mislabeling things. It seems that if you understand the complicated process of labeling, then you probably will do it right.

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/817641#Comment_817641

someone who has a considerable number of labels (any type) make a faithlife group and upload their note file to it.

[Y]

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/817552#Comment_817552

I had no idea that we could go ahead and manually tag our existing resources (not just pbs) and have them pop up in the sermons section of the guide.

In 6.12 Beta 1 you will no longer need to tag your PBs. If you use the sermon metadata table (https://wiki.logos.com/Sermon_and_Illustration_Support), the corresponding {Sermon} label will be generated automatically.

James Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/817680#Comment_817680

In 6.12 Beta 1 you will no longer need to tag your PBs. If you use the sermon metadata table (https://wiki.logos.com/Sermon_and_Illustration_Support), the corresponding {Sermon} label will be generated automatically.

Nice

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/817705#Comment_817705

This all seems like a lot of work to replicate what we used to have... I never remember having to use all these work arounds and change the format of my Sermons to include a table when we had the trusty Sermon File Addin

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/817711#Comment_817711

This all seems like a lot of work to replicate what we used to have... I never remember having to use all these work arounds and change the format of my Sermons to include a table when we had the trusty Sermon File Addin

IIRC in Libronix the table was a fill in the blanks table.

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/817712#Comment_817712

This all seems like a lot of work to replicate what we used to have... I never remember having to use all these work arounds and change the format of my Sermons to include a table when we had the trusty Sermon File Addin

IIRC in Libronix the table was a fill in the blanks table.

Exactly right MJ, so it was all taken care of neatly in the program. No need to modify your Sermons at the document level and the tagging was quite effective right from the fill in the blank table

Liam

I'm finding that the sermons with longer titles are difficult to label. It's probably a bug, but when I type out the name of a puritan sermon, say: "THE WARNINGS OF SCRIPTURE ARE IN THE BEST MANNER ADAPTED TO THE AWAKENING AND CONVERSION OF SINNERS," after I click on the box with this text, the sermon title just disappears. Now if I do the same exact process, but simply name the sermon "Warnings", then it works fine.

Is anyone else having this issue?

Liam

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/817552#Comment_817552

Now I'm wondering though, could we all work together on a big huge group sermon tagging project and crowd source all our findings so that we get the benefits of others work as well as our own?

Just created a Faithlife group for this.

Enjoy!

Liam

So, we can now populate our own sermon guide results by tagging our own resources. Does anyone know if we can populate our commentary guide sections by tagging our resources with scripture labels? This would be absolutely great if it was a possibility! MJ, any thoughts?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/832987#Comment_832987

I'll have to retest the Journals to make sure that user labeling is picked up there.

delete12066188

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/832989#Comment_832989

It should be able also for PB?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/832991#Comment_832991

Yes

delete12066188

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/832992#Comment_832992

[Y]