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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 9:36 AM

This has been a lively and kind discussion with many good thoughts. I think it's something many of us think about a bunch. Thanks for bringing it up, Charles!

More than most other such discussions, there was a high regard for others' opinions and approaches. This is the kind of open ended conversation that is at once thought provoking and encouraging.

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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 10:02 AM

David Achorn:
When does one have too many books?

When one's collection is bigger then the Library Of Congress Big Smile

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 10:09 AM

Lew Worthington:
This has been a lively and kind discussion with many good thoughts. I think it's something many of us think about a bunch. Thanks for bringing it up, Charles!

You're Welcome.

Lew Worthington:
there was a high regard for others' opinions and approaches. This is the kind of open ended conversation that is at once thought provoking and encouraging.

Why not? We are all adults and Christians (At least, I want to believe). 

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 10:40 AM

David Achorn:
 When does one have too many books?

You have too many books when:

  1. You don't have the time, the energy, the will or the availability to read them.
  2. You don't know what you have in your library.
  3. It takes a one page document answer for a simple "Yes" or "No" question.
  4. Your wife has to make an appointment to see or talk to you.
  5. A sore on your bottom for sitting too long.
  6. You're "ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of truth."
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David Kirk Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 12:13 PM

I don't think 47,882 is too many resources. I am frequently doing research for me or my pastor an I'm able to find the answer in my Logos library. My library including my Kindle and physical books far exceeds $100K but since I have a four year degree that only cost $10K in the 90s, it is a priceless investment. many students today pay $100K for their degree and dont have a library. 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 12:25 PM

Charles McNeil:
You don't know what you have in your library.

This is a good point and possibly very true but saying that I would bet this would account for almost all Logos users. Not including the Perseus collection, the vast majority of users beyond the starter packages which in themselves which have around 250 resources and you may well know all of them in your library, But even getting into bronze you are at a point of having over 500 resources. And I would commend anyone who seriously knew overbook they have in the gold collection of over 1000 books. I have a larger library than I  need, but I also have included in my Library gems I likely never would have discovered had they not been in my various packages. Were I wealthy I do not think I would significantly expand my Logos library beyond what I have, but I am very happy I have what i do. I am not using all 8300 resources weekly but I do use a significant amount of daily. 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 12:53 PM

Super.Tramp:

One should also consult their spouse about purchases. My wife gave her input here: 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/24077/180376.aspx#180376 

You have a very understanding wife. I'm guessing you consider yourself blessed.

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 1:15 PM

Bruce Dunning:
You have a very understanding wife. I'm guessing you consider yourself blessed.

Bruce,

I do consult with my wife about purchase. This help keeps me balance. She's truly understanding and a blessing.

[Your wife has to make an appointment to see or talk to you].   This not my personal experience. It's of another.

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David Achorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 1:35 PM

Charles McNeil:

David Achorn:
 When does one have too many books?

You have too many books when:

  1. You don't have the time, the energy, the will or the availability to read them.
  2. You don't know what you have in your library.
  3. It takes a one page document answer for a simple "Yes" or "No" question.
  4. Your wife has to make an appointment to see or talk to you.
  5. A sore on your bottom for sitting too long.
  6. You're "ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of truth."

I have my wife contact my personal assistant for appointments so I'm good there.  

On a serious note, I often think about point #6.  Truth seems to be multi-layered.  The more I find at the surface the more that exists in the layers underneath. Logos does a wonderful job of illuminating all those layers.  

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 1:40 PM

Charles McNeil:

Bruce Dunning:
You have a very understanding wife. I'm guessing you consider yourself blessed.

Bruce,

I do consult with my wife about purchase. This help keeps me balance. She's truly understanding and a blessing.

[Your wife has to make an appointment to see or talk to you].   This not my personal experience. It's of another.

I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say here. When I spoke to Super.Tramp and said that he has a very understanding wife and that he was blessed I was referring to what he said that she said in that post. I was simply saying she was very supporting and understanding when she said the following...

Nina Jones:
If my hubby's happy, I'm happy...Big Smile

By the way, I also consult my wife before most purchases.

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Bruce Roth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 3:20 PM

I remember reading this in Thomas Oden's biography about one of the challenges of the accumulation of many books:

When a large nineteenth-century lecture hall for biblical studies was divided into two Seminary Hall faculty offices, I inherited a spacious, high ceiling first floor office. It was roomy until I filled it up with my books floor to ceiling. I added more and more books as the years went by. By the 1980s the shelves were so high I needed a ladder. Upon Edward Leroy Long’s retirement, the largest of all of the faculty offices became available in the three-story red brick Wesley House....As it turned out, I needed that space to preserve my extensive working library in a single location. One day I got a knock on my door. An engineering inspection had occurred and everything had to be moved out, as the entire house was under the strain of the weight of my books. The floors of the historic residence were insufficiently braced for my library.

Oden, Thomas C. (2014-11-06). A Change of Heart: A Personal and Theological Memoir (p. 189). InterVarsity Press. Kindle Edition.

Or to compare that with e-books, this article is from The Guardian in 2011:

E-readers get heavier with each book

E-readers are meant to let bookworms carry their entire libraries with them without any additional weight – but the devices actually get heavier every time a new text is downloaded.

The weight difference is unlikely to make much difference to holidaymakers' baggage allowances, however, because each new tome is about as heavy as a single molecule of DNA. Filling a 4GB Kindle to its storage limit would increase its weight by a billionth of a billionth of a gram

Prof John Kubiatowicz a computer scientist at the University of California, Berkeley, explained in the New York Times last week that storing new data involves holding electrons in a fixed place in the device's memory.

Although the electrons were already present, keeping them still rather than allowing them to float around takes up extra energy – about a billionth of a microjoule per bit of data.

Using Einstein's E=mc² formula, which states that energy and mass are directly related, Prof Kubiatowicz calculated that filling a 4GB Kindle to its storage limit would increase its weight by a billionth of a billionth of a gram, or 0.000000000000000001g.

This is roughly equivalent to the weight of a small virus, while the equivalent number of books – about 3,500 – would weigh approximately two tons.

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C M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 3:35 PM

Bruce Roth:
I remember reading this in Thomas Oden's biography about one of the challenges of the accumulation of many books:

Bruce Roth:
E-readers get heavier with each book

I guess a collector of books, "can't win for losing."

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 25 2015 4:56 PM

Been off the forums for a bit.. what did I miss? ;););)

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 28 2015 11:57 AM

My last response was kind of flip - I was kind of annoyed about some of the things people have implied on this thread.

Any way, I did some math today (well I have a spreadsheet that handles that for me) and learned I've spent more in Logos (at ~1.23 a title) than I have on both my house, truck, and motorcycle combined.

Not that any of the three are all that fancy, AND that doesn't include the land my home sits on... But I digress.

I had a professor that said "show me your check book and I will show you your priorities. My priority - especially this past year - is and has been "equipping for ministry". I've bought books on counseling, on apologetics, on theology from a variety of perspectives, thousands of commentaries (literally I had about 400 last year, but now that I'm a pastor I picked up several sets, and the mammoth cc&s collection 1 & 2). Journals (but those are more for school) by the truck load. Books on any topic thats come up as pastor, or that I can foresee coming up based upon the influences in my community.

I've bought base packages seeking to be a good steward, picked up scores of free books, at least 12 +1's for .99 from Verbum, and Logos. Bunches of titles from noet (I like the classics and philosophy can be interesting).

All in all my use of logos hasn't changed, but I like to think my effectiveness has. ~21.947$ (which is what I've spent if you include the free base package I got once, and some other things gained through referrals) can buy a lot of books; but ultimately I am only better equipped if I am using them.

I like to think that I am. I hope all of you are as well.

The only opinions that matter is (first and foremost) the opinion of my Lord RE whether I'm being a good steward of the money he's allowed me to have. ~465$/monthly (the average spent per month for the last 37 months) is a substantial amount of money. But really, I like my truck, I don't need a new vehicle. I have a small home, one that suits me in a location I love. It hasn't taken away from any ministry opportunities that have come up.


Secondly I have a small book budget from my church that has helped to offset that previous figure. Between 60 and 180$ of that each month has been sponsored by some of the members of my church.

It was something I had pushed for when another man was pastor. By the time it happened, he wasn't around to benefit from it. But ultimately thats money well spent I think. Its an investment back into the church. The better equipped I am, the better I can serve. The better equipped they will be to reach back into the community.

Some of you that read this may be too mature to need further equipping, I can't help you. May the Lord bless your ministry.

But I think most of us fall into a second category, where we realize we may never reach a point where we are "there" and no longer need to study, and learn and grow. We need books - most importantly the bible - to do so.

So in the end, I think the determination of who is a book-a-holic and who isn't comes down to the heart of the individual. If you're buying books to be equipped, using them to equip yourself and others, and are growing, then you are doing it right.

If your drive is to see the little number go up when you click your library button, then you're a collector, and I think are missing out on the equipping aspect. This may mean you are a book-a-holic. But that's not for me to decide, that is between you and your maker.

As for me, despite having a rather large library, even though I haven't, and may not read every word of every title in my library, I can say that at this point and before God I do not believe I am a book-a-holic. My extended family may argue otherwise (wait... so you have a one bedroom home, and that one bedroom.... is a library??!?!), and perhaps they could make a few points regarding balance. But that will come in time. Going from un-employed to mechanic one might need to buy more tools at the start than would a mechanic of 20 years. Its an imperfect analog because of the nature of scholarship and study. But I digress. May we all be blessed not by the volume count of our library but by our Great God, and the time we spend studying His word both directly and indirectly.




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Russel Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 28 2015 1:54 PM

abondservant:

The way I see it, a mechanic has a 5000$ toolbox, filled with 25000$ worth of tools from snap on etc. A plumber is quite similar. Thousands in tools.

Would a pastor not be negligent if he didn't do something similar?

I'm only a layperson, so I can't use that excuse! Stick out tongue

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 28 2015 1:59 PM

Russel Taylor:

abondservant:

The way I see it, a mechanic has a 5000$ toolbox, filled with 25000$ worth of tools from snap on etc. A plumber is quite similar. Thousands in tools.

Would a pastor not be negligent if he didn't do something similar?

I'm only a layperson, so I can't use that excuse! Stick out tongue



I am thrilled when someone in my church wants to go deeper in the word than what they might glean on their own :)

Lay leaders ought to be properly equipped as well. You are still a leader after all.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 28 2015 1:59 PM

Russel Taylor:
I'm only a layperson

Well, I checked your FL profile, and it says "GIS Specialist (mapping)"

Just wonder, what do you think about the Logos Atlas feature?

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Russel Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 28 2015 2:16 PM

Veli Voipio:

Russel Taylor:
I'm only a layperson

Well, I checked your FL profile, and it says "GIS Specialist (mapping)"

Just wonder, what do you think about the Logos Atlas feature?

Well, to be honest, the last time I tried to use it I was very underwhelmed.  I pretty much wrote it off after that.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 29 2015 1:34 AM

I am not a GIS expert but I have used GIS for telecoms planning so I have some idea what can be done with the current technology. And I guess there are many GIS experts among the Logos users, and I suggest FL could consult them to avoid errors that others have made.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2015 11:16 PM

Recently my friend bought some forest and found a 1935 Ford in it, honestly in quite bad shape. Now he is considering restoring it. Nobody blames him if he'll spend a lot of money.

Of course it came into my mind if some people are spending a lot of money to bring old cars to shiny condition, then could I spend as well when I am trying to reconstruct a sort of ancient Christianity in its glory on my desktop?

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