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Robert Harner | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 10 2015 3:13 PM

Methodist & Wesleyan Library Builder (160 vols.)

https://www.logos.com/product/55277/methodist-and-wesleyan-library-builder 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2015 3:53 PM

Robert Harner:

Methodist & Wesleyan Library Builder (160 vols.)

https://www.logos.com/product/55277/methodist-and-wesleyan-library-builder 

AWESOME

This is great.

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Brandon Rappuhn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2015 3:56 PM

Robert Harner:

Methodist & Wesleyan Library Builder (160 vols.)

https://www.logos.com/product/55277/methodist-and-wesleyan-library-builder 

You beat me to it!

I have a lot of exciting things to announce today for Wesleyans and Methodists in our Logos community!

First of all, as Robert has pointed out, we have a Methodist & Wesleyan Library Builder, (!!!) which is already an extremely great value on the resources it contains, but for the rest of the month, we're giving every customer an additional 15% off! (This pairs really well with our base package sale happening right now--you can also pick up the L6 Extended Crossgrade for 15% off this month and have yourself a Methodist-themed base package library).

Secondly, have you seen https://www.logos.com/methodist? We now have a hub where you can keep up with new Pre-Pubs, Community Pricing products, and news pertaining to Methodist and Wesleyan resources in Logos. Sign up for the email list if you want to keep up-to-date in the new resources we release.

Finally, check out some of the newest Pre-Pubs and Community Pricing collections we've just put up. Show us you're interested in Methodist products by pre-ordering your favorites. Some of the newest ones include:

Thanks for being excited about Methodist products! This is a huge step forward and keep your eyes peeled for more Methodist and Wesleyan content coming soon.

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Kenneth Neighoff | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2015 4:38 PM

This is great news!

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Scott E. Mahle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2015 5:20 PM

Fantastic! Looking forward to other offerings.

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2015 6:51 PM

Brandon Rappuhn:

First of all, as Robert has pointed out, we have a Methodist & Wesleyan Library Builder, (!!!) which is already an extremely great value on the resources it contains, but for the rest of the month, we're giving every customer an additional 15% off! (This pairs really well with our base package sale happening right now--you can also pick up the L6 Extended Crossgrade for 15% off this month and have yourself a Methodist-themed base package library).

That's great news, and it looks like an outstanding collection, featuring a healthy mix of old and new scholarship.

I'm just curious: Why is this being offered as a "Library Builder" instead of as a base package with various levels?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2015 7:02 PM

Unofficial answer Lew - nearly all the base packages has been preceded by a Library Builder. I have assumed  that it handles the case where there are not quite enough resources available to build solid base packages and/or is a way to verify the market for base packages.

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2015 7:37 PM

Very helpful as always, MJ. Thank you!

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2015 10:01 PM

Brandon Rappuhn:

I have a lot of exciting things to announce today for Wesleyans and Methodists in our Logos community!

Brandon, is there Academic Discount on this? Because I don't see it..

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Joh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2015 5:47 AM

Thank you. This is  a great sale.Smile

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Jesse Blevins | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2015 8:11 AM

Party!!!

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Brandon Rappuhn | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2015 8:46 AM

mike:

Brandon, is there Academic Discount on this? Because I don't see it..

Unfortunately not. The discounts are so high on this collection that we literally can't go any further without running into problems with other products. To give you a point of reference, if you were to purchase all of the individual book collections contained within the Methodist & Wesleyan Library Builder, it would cost you around ~$2,270, and that's assuming you'd be buying the collections contained within (like the whole works of John Fletcher) rather than each volume individually (which would be far more expensive). Getting that for around $380 (with the introductory 15% off), before applying Dynamic Pricing discounts, is the best we can do.

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Into Grace | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2015 6:06 PM

Will I pay less if I wait for a Wesleyan base package? This library has a lot of public domaim works that don't interest me. Thanks.

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Brandon Rappuhn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2015 10:08 AM

mike:

Brandon, is there Academic Discount on this? Because I don't see it..

Actually I'm eating my words here. There is an Academic price. I am not sure why you're not seeing it--can you take a screenshot and show me what you're seeing?

Into Grace:

Will I pay less if I wait for a Wesleyan base package? This library has a lot of public domaim works that don't interest me. Thanks.

Base packages are more expensive in a direct comparison. Looking at our existing denominational and standard base packages, the only base package that's cheaper is Starter, which is $294.95 for 241 resources (which includes datasets, interactives, interlinears, Greek/Hebrew books, all the juice and power of Logos 6 that won't be as specifically Wesleyan as this library builder). The next level up is Bronze at $629.95 for over 500 resources, more of which are unique to each respective denomination. So to answer your question, you'll pay more in a strict comparison ($390 vs. $629--each less your dynamic price), but you'll also get more books and, consequently, pay less per book/resource if you wait for the base package. However, I cannot speak to how long you'll be waiting to see a base package in this denominational line, so the other economic costs to factor in are the opportunity cost of not having these resources in your library between now and if ever/whenever base packages launch.

So, taking the Library Builder at face-value, I'd be interested to hear feedback on the product. Which PD works from here are expendable and what modern works (that we already have on Logos.com) should be in their stead? The more feedback we can get, the better we can serve you ("the customer is always right" kind of thing, you know?).

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2015 11:10 AM

I see an Academic discount of around 30$. Most of the titles I already own, and the full cost of the builder is about a buck fifteen.

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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2015 12:51 PM

I am delighted with my purchase of the "Methodist & Wesleyan Library Builder." I, for one, was pleased to finally get what I hope are the complete works of John Wesley (I missed getting these in Community Pricing, not knowing then how CP worked). Some say they are not so interested in getting public domain works. I think there is obviously much value in the "oldies but goodies." Scripture tells us not to remove the old landmarks!

I believe it would be most important to include in a Methodist & Wesleyan base package the primary theologies written in the nineteenth century (some of which I am beginning to get in my Logos library already). I have learned of these from Roger E. Olson's work, Arminian Theology:  Myths and Realities, pages 25, 26.  He mentions Richard Watson, Christian Institutes;  Thomas Summers, Systematic Theology:  A Complete Body of Wesleyan Arminian Divinity;  Pope, A Compendium of Christian Theology;  and John Miley, Systematic Theology.

I am especially interested in Thomas O. Summers, because I own a hard copy of his work on the subject of baptism which I found excellent. And speaking of baptism, one of the first issues I faced as a new Christian was the mode of Christian baptism. My Methodist pastor allowed for either sprinkling or immersion, without arguing for either mode. At the Baptist church I attended with my parents, they insisted upon immersion. I ended up being baptized by both modes.

I am thankful that Logos has in Community Pricing a collection ("Classic Works on Baptism," I think it is called) of about 40 or so volumes on the subject of baptism.  I would love to see that be a part of a Methodist & Wesleyan package.

MOST IMPORTANT to include in a Methodist & Wesleyan base package would be McClintock and Strong's Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature. I have the full reprinted edition from Baker Book House reprinted in 1968. I need a "Scripture Index" to the whole thing, which having it in Logos would provide!

Ralph Earle of the Nazarene Theological Seminary said in a "blurb" on the dust jacket, "McClintock and Strong's Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature is unsurpassed in its treatment of hundreds of important topics. Its biographical sketches are longer and more numerous than in any similar work. James Strong was one of the greatest Biblical scholars which Wesleyanism has produced. His editorship guarantees the high quality and evangelical orthodoxy of theological articles. This is a set which is needed to complete the library of a careful student of the Bible, theology, and church history."

I could go on to mention other works, whether older or modern, but these are some of the most critical items to place in a Methodist & Wesleyan Base Package that would be useful to me.

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Brandon Rappuhn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2015 1:35 PM

Jerome Smith:

I am especially interested in Thomas O. Summers, because I own a hard copy of his work on the subject of baptism which I found excellent.

Thanks for the feedback! If you want to keep tabs on all of Thomas O. Summers' books we have posted and will post in the future, keep your eyes on this link: https://www.logos.com/products/search?Author=26497|Thomas+Osmond+Summers and in case you missed it, we have Thomas O. Summers' 2-volume systematic on Community Pricing, here: https://www.logos.com/product/54483/systematic-theology-a-complete-body-of-wesleyan-arminian-divinity

These aren't light books--both are well over 500 pages, making it comparable with John Miley's. I have been meaning to write a blog or lengthy forum post about this work, because I am extremely fascinated by it. Summers isn't squeamish in his use of Latin and Greek, and he cites the early church as frequently as he mentions post-Reformation and modern theologians (but he uses English translations when providing lengthy citations, while using individual words or phrases from their original Latin/Greek, so you don't have to read paragraphs upon paragraphs of Latin). He is well versed in both classical philosophy and modern philosophical systems, and is aware of the wide range of systematic theological approaches out there--from scholasticism to Lutheran and Calvinistic systems. In this work, he is very aware of what other Christian belief systems teach--from Eastern Orthodox to Presbyterian to Catholic to Lutheran--and he presents their teaching alongside classical Methodist theological teachings. His work is almost a conversation of systematic theological development, very keenly aware of the movements of his time, and is divided according to theological subject (i.e. the Perfections of God, the One Person and Two Natures of Christ, etc.). He designated an entire section of his second volume to baptism (over 50 pages) and also discusses baptism on the chapter on justification. I'd love to go on and on about this, but I think I'll save the sweet details for whenever I get around to blogging about this book.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 6:53 PM

My dynamic price was $15 bucks! Not bad!

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